I’ve never seen retention as the problem at urinals (at least not the gun). I just feel like it increases the likelihood of being mugged while you’re at a disadvantage. Hence, the business cards.
I only use stalls if possible. Never take it out of the holster, just let it rest in the pants. Never been a problem?
How to deal with LE that either don’t know the laws or don’t like the laws. i.e. Park Rangers
How do you mean “deal” with LE that doesn’t like the law? Not my problem. You can not like it all you want officer, but if I haven’t broken a law, I’ll be going on my merry way now. sorry.
I’ve only had contact with one that didn’t “approve” of anyone having permission to carry but him. Wasn’t an issue other than him expressing his opinion?
It is an issue, I for one do not want overly restrictive requirements and wonder how much requirement should actually be forced if any at all. Doesn’t seem to be to much difference between low and strict regulation of conceal carry, those who half ass knowledge and ability generally have guns that ride the safe, under the pillow, etc with those who actually carry being the ones who are half way decent. Have the obvious horror stories of people doing dumb things and being out there but how many of them are preventable since a lot of people can fake obedience with minimal requirements.
Still I think there could be some hard love yet reasonable test that focuses on different aspects that could replace a lot of the showing up and sitting around for hours to get a certificate. From there class time can be a little more advanced.
In the end I am not sure there is a perfect system possible due to the masses. Individually I and many others would require more than the certification class to actually learn anything new and really just piss away 12 hours for the most part doing it and then have to dedicate more personal time to learning the rest of conceal carry.
Obviously its an impossible dilemma to 100% satisfactorily address.
As far as requirements, I again have to revert to the NRA’s guidelines. However, I do run each student through my “final exam” which incorporates using a door, pie-ing a corner and engaging a moving target from behind a barrier with no-shoots in the background and performing a reload. It’s not pass-fail, it’s just a culmination of most of the skills taught during our session. I get a great sense of accomplishment watching someone who may have had little firearms knowledge to begin with facing a complex problem and solving it.
Hopefully you can get them to understand that passing the state course is only the beginning and it motivates them to continue their own training.
If you can, get the LAST stall to the wall. Corners are good!
Remind me to ask someone if they use the table method before I handle their gun. I don’t want to handle something that has been resting on someone’s racing stripe. Heck, I wouldn’t want to handle my own weapon in that situation.
+1. Agreed
Lol I dont blame you. Thats nasty.
I really try not to think about what people do with their hands. Im not a germ a phobe but that shit grosses me out
We teach our Ohio CHL classes with 14 hours in the classroom and 3 hours of range instruction. On the range, it’s 3 or 4:1 ratio of students to instructors. Yes, you can find a class cheaper than ours, but we think the extra material and attention on the range is what sets us apart. We’d honestly like to include even more class material and range time, but are afraid of scaring off folks with any increased costs. Many students comment AFTER class than they wish it were more comprehensive, but I know we couldn’t have convinced them of that BEFORE class.
Maybe you could get some feedback if they would be interested in a more advanced follow-on class.
The “table method” is kind of interesting… and gross. 
Yes. We already do that. We bi-annually offer two follow-on Handgun I & II classes that are 8 hours each and can be completed back-to-back on a weekend (Sat. & Sun.). Those are the students I like working with the best. They’ve recognized they need further training and practice beyond the basic CHL and are willing to do it. These classes are a pleasure to work. We even have a couple students who take these every year to keep up their skills.
Unfortunately, the others just don’t get it.
I’d prefer to have at least a few feet to retreat and move should somebody attempt to attack me in the head.
I really think OH has done a disservice to the public by giving that 2-hour range time minimum. Glad to hear you’re going above and beyond as well. I’ve gotten good response from both my advanced ccw class offerings as well as my home defense classes/ccw classes. A good portion of Ohioans want to be able to carry “just in case” but really want someone to teach them basic HD principles. Adding low-light to the course has been really great too.
I get a lot of requests for one-day courses because of students’ schedules. I do them but they’re brutal. How do you break up your 14+3?
BTW- at the class on Saturday I used a Lee Classic Loader in 9mm to have each student reload a cartridge which I then fired from my 92F. That really helped the section on ammunition sink in. I think it’s going to be a permanent addition to the course.
Our CHL class is 14-hours of classroom and a minimum of 3 hours of range time. Classroom time runs Monday through Thursday, 6:00 – 9:30 PM each evening. We are off on Friday, and then everyone goes to the range on Saturday for 3+ hours.
Can’t see doing it all in only one day. I’m too ADHD. Twice a year we offer a weekend only class, with everything stuffed into a Saturday and Sunday.