Hello there, it’s me again with a new question. My main sd ammo for my benelli is an decent 00 buckshot load, I am also interssted in buying some slugs as an plan b.
Accept some nice loads form brenneke this loading
http://www.ddupleks.lv/DE/articles/show/hexolit32s
cought my eye. What do you think about it? Would be an decent slug for home defense or shall i stick to more conventianal brennke type slug.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Greetings from austria.
Your question was regarding home defense and according to that write up that slug is all about penetration of hard targets, i.e. metal plates, metal walls, metal vehicle parts. As such it would not be my first choice for home defense. I would and do stick with traditional slugs and buckshot for my shotguns.
ETA: Traditional slugs and buckshot have over penetration problems as well but I’ve demonstrated our loadings on hard targets at the range to dispell the “shooting out an engine block” myth and have yet to penetrate any steel, excepting car doors.
My personal feeling is that there aren’t a lot of reasons to use a slug, and the best reasons are all about hunting. Anything beyond that is somebody attempting to press a shotgun into a rifle’s job (ill-advisedly, in my opinion). If you are doing something buckshot can’t do, you really shouldn’t be using a shotgun.
I’m a pretty low-speed guy, tho, so what do I know? 
I’d like to see some gel tests. An hollow point expanding slug just sounds unholy.
There are plenty of gel tests as well as tests on live animals. Those slugs are developed in a country with certain restrictions in place that necessitated this innovation, and they perform as advertised.
Here are a few videos:
Gel:
http://youtu.be/ZIuPs70CO3U
Animal (large bear):
http://youtu.be/Kiwq95oT0zQ
Animal (oink oink):
http://youtu.be/wF_GsWx8pVw
Seems to good to be true. Although I hope it isn’t.
I cannot see any sense in making a projectile that’s aready .75 caliber expand.
Why not? I can see arguments against it for things like car doors, glass, serious big game penetration…the reasons most folks pick slugs in the first place.
But you have to understand that in that country, they had a lot of restrictions/constraints that led to the development of this ammunition. A slug that does massive damage but doesn’t penetrate through/through on smaller game is of use when they cannot choose from a variety of tools in the tool-box.
http://www.ddupleks.lv/EN/articles/show/history
Years ago, Winchester brought out a Foster type 12 GA slug with a hollow point. At the time I thought that it was silly. The regular slug is a heavy .75 caliber soft lead projectile. Other than a marketing scheme, what did the hollow point accomplish? Kill the deer, field dress it and butcher it?
How far can we take effectiveness? Can these expanding .75 caliber projectiles get past 100% effectiveness when employed against human adversaries?
I just think it gets stupid after a certain point. These exotic rounds do an effective job on one’s wallet for sure.
Ok, I can understand it because of restrictions. But where there are no restrictions, I see no point in using a design like that.
Okay, you understand that they had restrictions on their weapons, so they developed the most effective slug that they could–and it has proved darn effective.
However, instead of using this, you feel that someone should use something less effective?
I’m not understanding the reasoning here. Why would you choose a design that does less, of your own free will?
Why? Well, it’s just that I believe that it doesn’t do any more than the more traditional 12GA Slug. It may look more impressive but no one can scientifically prove it is more effective.
There are many opinions about effectiveness that have been argued for decades and the debate still continues. I have come to the conclusion that one should use whatever they are happy with.
I see a traditional Foster 12GA Slug as something that is adequate in effectiveness. I don’t believe it does less.
I will not criticize you if you believe otherwise. No one can say if either one of us is right or wrong. I’m just saying that I am content in my beliefs. It’s what I think…which is what the title of this thread asked.
If it were proven scientifically that this slug destroys more tissue than the traditional Foster style slug, would you then use it? Or is there an emotional attachment to the Foster slug, due to familiarity?
Destroyed tissue could be be scientifically measured. I’m just not convinced that it (more damaged tissue) translates into a measurable difference in effectiveness. The Foster type could increase damage if it penetrated further and contacted more tissue along a longer wound track.
I would use it in a situation that required a slug that possessed limited penetration qualities. It looks as if it would be very effective.
For hunting or self defense situations where over penetration is not an issue, I would look no further than the Foster types in a smooth bore.
Traditional Foster slugs are very poor penetrators on hard objects, and game-animals alike. I have actually had one fail to penetrate more than 2 milk-jugs in a row filled with water.
Thx for the answers so far. I am aware that the tradional buckshot is The defense load for shotguns, but I have thought buying some slugs for scenarios in which plain buckshot will not be the best choice. But I must admit that this scenario is very unlikely to happen. For short range defense buck shot will work and for longer ranges, I am going to buy an oberland arms oa 15 very soon.
At 40 yards my former roommate’s M590A1 patterns 8-pellet reduced-recoil FC buckshot into 12" circles.
Good luck justifying shooting someone at that distance, though. Sure, I bet you can think of a scenario, but be honest with yourself.
I have roughly ~75 rounds of mixed winchester/federal 12ga HP slugs lying around “just in case” but my HD 870 is stoked with 2.75" Winchester Ranger 00Buck.
I can see more powerful slugs being useful if you are hunting large or dangerous game. but thats it. Even if I were an LEO i’d stick with proven performers over exotic russian ammo.
WS6 yes you are totally right, that it is very unlikly to get into an sd scenario where long rang fire is needed to defend oneself. But as I sad before that’s only my plan b which is very unlikly to happen.