http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
I don’t know about you all but I don’t like the idea.
If my neigborhood just got flattened by a hurricane, flood, volcano, tornado, or earthquake I could probably use the help.
IT shouldnt really bother anyone when you think about it for a minute. With Posse Comitaus (sp) the only way an active army (or navy, MC, USAF) force can take on anything more than a ‘picking up the trash’ role would be if all forces in an area were federalized AND martial law was declared. Thats why, during natural disaster, the NG troops are the ones doing things like patrols, traffic control, anti-looting ops, etc. The active duty troops are relegated to picking up trash.
I don’t think about it . . . .
because the unit referred to in the article is not an “Army patrol” but members of the Army serving in a pure humanitarian role - not, as pointed out above in any type of civil law enforcement role. They are always welcome in my neighborhood if a tornado strikes.
I do not want ANY military involvement in civil affairs in the United States. Not even picking up trash.
My behavior towards any military personnel invloved in any of this would be less than cordial.
Bad, bad idea.
Couple that with the Obama Truth Squads http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1
and this is really not resembling the country I thought I grew up in.
I understand your position, but the military IS involved in many civil affairs that you would proabably consider more important than picking up trash. Whether they take their uniform off, or are “private civilians” working for the Pentagon, there are many programs they work on, aid in, and consult for that are basic “civil affairs.” They do not and may not engage in law enforcement, and for the most part according to what I know they do not. But, just for the sake of this discussion, does it really matter if Arizona trains National Guard in ICE standards to patrol and detain illegal entrants to the U.S. when the alternative is to wait for the extra promised Border Guards that have not come and are not coming? In the mean time, the Mexican Cartels are crossing the border and murdering people in Phoenix, Dallas and other southwest cities.
Your example is a legitimate use of military power: stopping the invasion of our sovereign terriroty.
But that’s about it.
Just be glad it’s our military.
Just be glad it’s our military.
Discounting the vital role that some of our military play in the security and protection of this country in your own backyard would be wrong. I refer to title 32 soldiers only, who can go armed at their governors consent. Being less than cordial to these troops would be foolish as they are your neighbors and the sons and daughters of your friends, your coworkers, the people you meet on the street.
No one ever wants to see federalized title 10 troops roaming the streets.
Just a friendly 02 from a guy who has been / still is there.
+10 and a big THANK YOU DarkX
Incorrect. Using the national guard for border enforcement against individuals entering our country illegally is not “stopping the invasion” by a foreign state at the direction of the President and/or Congress. As DarkX pointed out, they are soldiers operating pursuant to Title 32. If you don’t want them around to perform these type of civil affairs then we’ll ship all of the illegal immigrants, criminals, and drug traffickers up to your neighborhood and you can deal with them with your local PD. We’re drowning down here and are happy for the help the military units provide to augment the overwhelmed Border Patrol and ICE.
WTF is up with THAT? County and city offcials using their official positions of authority to “remind” people that Barrack O. wants to cut taxes and is a Christian? I’m getting sick of this crap … no matter what they are going to make sure Barrack wins this election.
Because the E-2’s and E-3’s are the policy makers right?:rolleyes:
Not my problem.
Then what is your problem? Sitting back and lobbing verbal grenades at our enliisted troops for performing functions and duties that give you a feeling that it is time to cry “Revolution!”??? NEWS FLASH: Jefferson’s vision of an America without a national standing army and a nation full of farmers didn’t catch on. Maybe it is time to wake up to that fact and make a few things your “problem” instead of simply verbal grenade lobbing. . . . or go live under the blanket of freedom provided by another nation.
That is an ignorant statement especially considering the role these servicemembers would be used in. I am curious if your less than cordial attitude would change if it was service members that came to assist you or your family during a natural disaster.
speaking as a former active duty Army soldier(6yrs); the thought of a bunch of 18 or 19 year old E-3 playing cop scares the hell out of me. Soldiers are trained to fight; not be first responders.
winning hearts and minds when liberating a foriegn country is one thing. Trying the same thing with your own countryman is a whole nother matter.
I would argue that todays soldiers are infinitely more qualified as first responders than they were even 5 years ago. Who said anything about U.S. troops being used to liberate and win hearts and minds on American soil?
I am not in favor of using active duty troops in CONUS because of the impact it may have on the ongoing commitments the United States has around the world. But to think there is some nefarious plot/purpose strikes me as a little “tinfoil hatish.”