As the title asks, what distance can you make reliable hits with a 2 moa Aimpoint. My local range only goes to 200 yrds but with my 6920 and M4s I was able to put 11 out of 12 shots inside a six inch target using Fed XM193 ammo. I want to be able to conect at longer distances, up to 400 yrds. I’m planning on picking up some Black Hills 68gr match but my issue will be finding the extended range to test on. I ask because if my 2 moa will cover that distance it may save me $$ on a new scope.
For those of you that do have the distance and a similar set up, what do you think I can expect?
Took out my BCM middy with 2 MOA T-1 yesterday (first time with the 2 MOA T-1) and I was getting consistent hits on a 12" x 12" plate at about 250 yards with XM193 shooting from a bench with front rest only and shooting prone with magazine-pod. The winds were variable yesterday, but then the wind wasn’t blowing too much, I would get 4/5 or 5/5 hits shooting at a pace of about 5 shots in 5 seconds.
Other than paper stands at 50 and 100 yards, the range only has metal targets at anywhere from 250 - 450 yards. The 450 yard gong was down yesterday and I didn’t try the 350 yard metal target, which I’m guessing is about 6" x 6". The 2 MOA dot would completely cover the plate at 350 yards.
On your 600 and 800 yard shots, those are with no magnification? If so, that’s some damn fine shooting! For me, anything beyond about 300 yards or so, I can’t really see a 6 inch target that well without magnification.
Not that your choice of zero really makes much difference at 600-800 yards, but do you zero your 2 MOA dot with the dot centered on the POA at your chosen distance? Or do you zero with the top of the dot just below your POA as your chosen distance?
I typically zero my dot to about where I think the dot is centered on my POA at 50 yards. But I’ve also read where some are zeroing with the top of the dot to be the POA.
Taking multiple shots to walk in a target at long range does not count. I’ve seen that done at 700 meters with 7.62x39 and 458 (or some big-ass African caliber). Big deal.
First time hits on 18" steel at 300 Meters with 2 MOA, or 4 MOA or 3.6 MOA Micro is fairly easy from a 200M zero. And about as easy with one as the other with good vision.
At that range you are centering the dot on the top edge (more or less depending on ammo and barrel length), so the target is very visible. At 400M it’s just guess work since they don’t have a suitable reticle or BDC. If you have a known hold point, it could be done.
If you have a 2 MOA gun, you can shoot 2 MOA groups so long as the target is appropriate for the dot. A bullseye that is a little larger than the substention of the dot works well.
Here is a sub 1.5", 100 Yd group from a 2 MOA FAL using a Comp ML3:
Im not going to call someone a liar without proof.
However…Ive shot quite a bit from 100-750 yards and some 1k yard stuff.
At 750 yards, with irons, you would not be able to spot your own shots, and depending on the wind you wouldn’t even be able to hear the steel being hit with normal ear plugs. You wouldn’t even be able to see the steel jingle on the chains with a 223/556. Ive shot gongs at that distance with a 556 using a 12X scope and they barely move.
I have shot to 250 quite a bit with Aimpoints and irons. My range goes 50, 100, 250, 500, 750, and 1k. Its pretty easy to hit even a LaRue target at 250 with an Aimpoint which Im guessing is harder than a full man sized steel at 300. Its a bit harder with irons for me but Im still about 75-80% on LaRue’s at that range. Keep in mind Im shooting fairly quick and not taking a ton of time between shots.
Out to 500 Ive shot with Aimpoints not a lot but a fair amount. Im probably 30% at that range after getting an aiming point. A 4MOA dot will be 20.5" across at that range which basically covers up the target if you hold dead on…but if you get your hold point its pretty easy to not put the dot in the right spot because you’re aiming at dirt that all looks at the same at 500 yards. Keep in mind Im not taking a minute between shots and wearing a shooting jacket.
Out to 750 yards, where I shoot, with LaRue targets I would pay someone $100 on the spot if they got a first round hit with an aimpoint, and $200 with irons. No walking shots in. Just sit down and first shot of the day at 750 yards.
Checking out KAC app on my phone, which is tuned with actual results Ive gotten at the range with the loads I use, would have a 750 yard shot being 211" low and 152" to either side depending on wind direction with a 15MPH wind at 3 O’Clock. If someone can make that shot, first time, with an Aimpoint or irons as I said I would pay them.
So while Im not calling you a liar I am skeptical of anyone getting regular 600-800 yard hits with either an Aimpoint or irons. Ill just leave it at that.
With all the shit I have seen people do I doubt that it would be hard for someone to be able to tap steel at 600 yards with an aimpoint. I don’t doubt for a second someone could hit a man sized target with an aimpoint at 600
Why would it matter if someone had to walk it in? The question did not ask “What distance hits are you getting with aimpoints cold bore” So if it has to be walked it shouldn’t matter.
There’s a great story I heard from my friend who picked it up in a class taught by a SEAL. I’m not saying the name because I’m not sure which class it was in and don’t want to attribute a story to the wrong guy.
Everyone on his team was asked at what distance they could guarantee a head shot no matter what the conditions were. Some guys said 200 yards, some guys said 300 yards, some even farther. A veteran sniper said 100 yards to some odd looks. They then had to actually prove it. Those that succeeded stayed, and those that failed went back to square 1 off of the team. Lots of guys didn’t stay…guys that can likely shoot circles around most folks on this board.
Forgive me if the details are off…but the point is sound. I can walk a .22lr with irons onto a piece of steel at 900 yards…that’s irrelevant to what I’m actually capable of with it.
using a Comp ML3: