I’m wanting to get rid of my one or both of my MWS’s and pickup up a KAC EMC, why is there not allot of talk about them here? What are the pros and cons of the EMC? Anything else I need to know?
Thanks
Have you looked at the price tag? That’s why you don’t see much on them. Some of the best info around on them is in this forum. And 7.62 ammo ain’t cheap either!
Is there something specific you want to know?
Be aware they tuned to run US mil spec ammo. They will run most commercial ammo but if you plan on running junky old surplus or weak steel case you’ll most likely have function issues.
Compared to a 16" MWS the recoil is a lot less and a lot smoother. My MWS was hard to shoot comfortably because the recoil was pretty sharp, and caused enough muzzle rise I would be completely off target. I added a Battle Comp and it helped…then I shot a buddy’s EMC after he got it, and decided to get one, too. It shot so much smoother and the gun stayed on target a lot better even with the BABC on the MWS.
They are pricey, and LaRue is an option, too. I just don’t like how high the top rail is on the OBR, and its about a lb or more heavier than the EMC. The Predator is about the same as the EMC but has that skinny ass barrel.
Ive contacted KAC about getting spare parts and didn’t really get a reply. That is one con. It seems like they don’t want to let parts out of their shop even if you own the damn gun. You have to send it in so they can fix it. Im talking things like bolt springs, extractors, spare action springs, spare bolt, ect.
If the gun fills a role you have or want to experiment with its a great gun. They are pricey, and probably not worth the asking price but its the only gun I know of that has the same features. The OBR is likely as good of a gun build quality wise but, again don’t like the weight or rail height. The MWS is also quite a bit heavier.
The EMC is not a run and gun type rifle. Using it as such is not what it was made for. For that type of shooting a quality FAL build or SCAR-H would likely be a better choice, and save quite a bit of money. You would be wasting an expensive match rifle shooting targets point blank to 25M doing drills. Not that it doesn’t hurt to try it once in a while just don’t make that its primary function.
As far as reliability I have around 3400 through mine, and one time it didn’t lock back with steel case stuff…I shot 200rds just to test it out and it didn’t lock back once. Another time I had a popped primer with Hornady SuperPerformance 178’s which was a bit of a known problem at the time with that ammo. The primer got stuck under the FCG and I had to take it apart to get the piece out. Other than that its never missed a beat, and I don’t consider either of those issues the fault of the gun. I didn’t clean it the first 2k rounds and it was still shooting around MOA 10 shot groups. Some more some less. I cleaned it, and ran it to 3k total without cleaning. Now have around 400 through it without cleaning. If this was a duty or anything but a personal gun I would clean it more often…it was more of me just seeing how reliable it would be under those circumstances.
Oh forgot…they use 3/4" threads so standard 308 muzzle devices wont work. Standard is 5/8x24. Surefire does make a K can flash hider mount and I think AAC has a couple floating around but not listed on their site last I checked. So you may run into issues with certain cans from some manufacturers not having a mount that will work. I think Battle Comp scrapped any plans to make a BABC for the EMC because it would weaken their device due to the thinner outer walls that would be needed for the 3/4" threading.
Excellent, your right about run and gunning, and I have a SCAR H for that, I can get the few spare parts that would be needed through another friend, and I have a option on a KAC can, so thats covered. I want it for a serious shooter, thats accurate, ammo will either be my 175 grain hand loads, or Blackhills Black Box or Federal 175 GM. I also dont like the height of the OBR or the weight, I want as little weight as possible, and from what you said this does fill the role I want as I have a REECE and SPR for shorter range. I have 2 MWS’s I plan on selling, one was so heavy with the 20" and SN3, its never been shot. So after the dust settles it wont be out much after selling the MWS’s
What is it about the EMC versus the MWS that gives it a less sharp and smoother recoil impulse?
Longer gas system.
That said you may want to wait till after SHOT concerning the OBR/PredatARs. There’s some stuff on the horizon that’s going to address exactly the concerns you’ve listed.
I know I get a lot of shit when it comes to discussing the EMC/OBR issues, but I’ll say this, the EMC is one of the best looking 7.62 carbines out there. I really and truly mean that.
I think the OBR/PredatAR are the best functioning from a pure price point and quality concern.
From a precision role the OBR 18" is just a beast of a gun, total tack driver and built amazingly well. The OBR isn’t as light or as svelte as the EMC, but they’re two different roles. Just need to be honest about your needs and tailor to what fits the best.
There’s a LOT of options for 7.62 guns, and price wise you can get a LOT of bang for your buck under 3000 dollars these days.
KAC is also coming out with some new SR25s at shot, so I would wait and see what everyone has out.
Here is how my EMC is doing:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=93766
Sooooooooo, any hints, or is the EMC still going to be top KAC dog?
Well crap, wish they would say something about them, 3 models of carbines, but what are they, looks like I have to wait.
After reading this link, and this link http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_381/212500_New_Products_for_2012.html I’m thinking the ECC will probably just get cosmetic upgrades, and a price increase? I will probably just go EMC, save some bucks and upgrade the cosmetics if I can, and if their much better.
The EMC is being discontinued –
and introducing the ECC and EC.
The ECC has the QDC Flash Suppressor - which is easy if you want to get one of the QDC cans (also released at SHOT). and the URX3.1 rail and 45Degree Offset sights.
MSRP to be $5,743.75
The EC is a non chromed, non dimpled barrel without the carbon cutting bolt. - Heavier but designed for more precision applications than the EMC was. It retains the M110 Flash Suppressor.
MSRP to be $4,368.75
ECR is the 20" rifle with a collapsible stock and threaded barrel with QDC Flash Suppressor, URX3.1 - non chrome and non dimpled barrel.
MSRP $5,618.75
We played with the gas port a bit on the carbines to make them more forgiving of less powerful ammo as well.
KevinB,
Thank you for the updates.
Mike
I am sure that will appeal to some but one of things that made me jump to the EMC was how much softer it shot vs. the MWS with 16" CL. I know you can’t please everyone, and there is always the crew that insists on shooting junk ammo but its nice to have brands out there than don’t bow down to the Wolf or bust crew.
Just to clarify, there’s a difference between junk ammo and training ammo. It becomes financially and logistically impractical to shoot M118LR in a 3 day class. So while I don’t think anyone is advocating running “Billy Bob’s Gun Show Reloads” and demanding that a rifle be able to group .5 moa with said ammo, you still need to strike a balance that allows good training ammo in a class, and great ammo when shooting for groups.
Maybe I have an exception but mine won’t cycle with FGMM or SWA Standard, only BH red box.
Not sure what SWA standard is.
Mine has shot many flavors of Hornady, BH, Fed GMM, AE M1A 168OTM, Lapua, Rem, and a host of others all without issue.
If you have an EMC that wont shoot FGMM I would be bitching. Mine is certainly not like that. Ive shot quite a bit of FGMM without issue.
I have run quite a bit of DAG and Fed XM80 without issue either. I wouldn’t recommend the gun if it didn’t run basic surplus or at least new commercial FMJ let alone FGMM.
Maybe I just get lucky with stuff. Never had a failure with 20 round PMAG’s, either, in 5.56 yet I hear how terrible they are.
If your gun wont run FGMM, what year is that ammo – it was not till maybe 5 years ago that Federal made brass hard enough to actually use in a gas gun.
If your gun does not run M80 ball or whatever your chosen training ammo is, contact me.
Not sure how old the ammo was since it was my friends and we were just trying it out to see how it grouped but the boxes looked fairly new, but it’s never been an issue for me since I pretty exclusively run black hills. I’ve never tried M80 but I will give it a shot and get back to you!
ETA: Belmont, SWA is south west ammo. A lot of guys on the hide are fans of them, I’ve found them to have more consistent loads in their 308 offerings than BH.
Went to the range again today, cycled 300 rounds of M80 flawlessly, and would short stroke on the one box FGMM 175’s that we bought from the range. This doesn’t make any sense to me at all as I would have assumed GMM would be loaded hotter than M80, unless there is some other factor at play that I am unaware of. On the bright side I don’t usually shoot GMM and the gun is an absolute laser with BH red box, and also shot the m80 surprisingly well (about 1-1.5 MOA, as opposed to .6-.7 with the BH, 5 shot groups)