I love my P89, accurate, doesn’t jam a load of fun to shoot. 17 years and counting it has never failed. Kind of like my MKII…
I’m going to look into the LCP this weekend at a gun show…it’s either that or a AK pistol for my Jeep.
Yeah don’t be skeert of the Ruger brand…there’s a lot worse pistols out there.
Of course my M&P is my EDC…
I don’t have any experience with Ruger semi-auto’s but I have a couple of their revolvers and really like them.
My GP100 is currently being worked on by Teddy Jacobson and I’m very anxious to get it back…his work on my 642 was really good and I know you can do a lot more with a GP100 trigger then a J Frame (which are fairly hard to work on).
My personal distaste for Ruger’s centerfire Semi-autos has nothing to do with Bill Ruger and everything to do with what I’ve observed personally from Ruger pistols, FWIW.
I know plenty of people who shoot SERIOUSLY, and all of them have 2 things in common, Glock and Ruger
I’m blessed to know lots of the people behind the screen names here as well as some other places…and I can’t say that Ruger appears in their battery of serious use weapons very often.
I’m also familiar with “Gun Tests” magazine and in all honesty that’s of extremely limited utility as far a useful data about a purchase. If we’re to discuss “beating out” other guns in tests, it would be fair to bring in all the contract testing where Glock/S&W/H&K and a host of others have handily stomped Ruger’s submissions.
Ruger’s revolvers are pretty good and their rimfire autos are fantastic…but for centerfire semi-autos I think it’s safe to contend that the picture isn’t quite so rosy.
I think JW777 hits an important point - the vast majority of their revenue comes from three rimfires and one is a rifle. Can they make a decent pistol? Probably, but why bother with also-rans when all the holsters and mags on the shelf are for the major guns? That’s called a clue.
B_C
JW777:
Can you PM me the links to the tests you are referringt to, or just post them here if you prefer? I would like to see the results. I wasn’t sure of Gun tests reputation; but the test they did seemed pretty convincing as it was presented. I have tried very hard to find more tests/actual real world stats and findings involving rugers centerfire pistols as I find them to be so accurate and reliable for such a low cost; I am very interested in how they actually hold up to the major names. I would love to see some real mean testing done to them to know how good or bad they really are. My P95’s are just so nice to me, and run smoother/more reliable than any other pistol I own (XD 9, M&P 9, CZ 75, HK USP 9); the P95 is my go to on that list because of how it has performed for me versus the other pistols. I would love to know if I got (3) fluke P95’s that are amazing and the rest out there are crap; or if they are truly decent guns when put through the paces as I have observed.
Thanks in advance for the info.
…then you are probably going to need either a badge or a FOIA request to get at the actual data of the testing done by large law enforcement agencies. Generally that sort of information isn’t readily accessible on the internet.
Well, I don’t have a badge, can you point me in the right direction of the agencies I should make the requests to? The FBI? Or local agencies? If I am asking to much I understand; just let me know. I am eager to see the testing/data though. I can’t find one test that is negative towards the P-series rugers; but those are internet tests that I don’t know the reputation of the testers ; and I only know a few personal friends that I truly trust to do a proper test and qualify the findings properly/unbiased.
Thanks again for th einfo JW777; I appreciate it.
Ruger P-series semi-auto pistols are reliable but not durable, suitable for light sport/recreational/hobby use only. Others who have pressed them into harder service have found several common issues and vulnerabilities within short periods of service.
Not unserviceable guns, and good values on the used market. Not size efficient. Not a hard-use gun.
Can you list the issues and vulnerabilities here please? I am very interested…
Based on my one free issue(that I fought with them over for about 6 months when they tried to collect for a subscription :nono:)…
It was overpriced.
I still get the emails and have been less than impressed with them(those that I’ve read) as well.
Off the top of my head, watch your mag catches, ejectors, safety/decock levers, link pin.
Ruger P-series semi-auto pistols are reliable but not durable, suitable for light sport/recreational/hobby use only. Others who have pressed them into harder service have found several common issues and vulnerabilities within short periods of service.
Can you elaborate on this?
Can you elaborate as to what the specific problem is with those parts? Can you direct me to resoures or real life situations that support your assertion that those parts are necessary to “wacth” for?
Are they flawed in design, functionality, manufacturing, materials, etc…
What should I “watch” for in those sepcific parts? Just to be aware if/when they break? To look for specific indications of there weakness’?
I want some hard data here, not just conjecture and anecdotal evidence. I know how my persoanl Rugers have handled and I want to see some real tests and data/findings that supports the claims on here of them being inferior and why that is. If someone asks me my opinion on Olympic arms, I don’t tell them that they are crap, don’t use it, they are like _ manufacturer quality, they are not mil-spec., etc… I show them hard data to support the fact that they are crap rifles. I would love to see the data on the rugers be it positive or negative; I would love to know either way.
I feel sort of like I am second guessing myself since I have a XD, CZ, HK and have owned glocks and none of them stack up to my P95’s. I ain’t no fan boy, if the evidence is there I will accept it, for what it is; but I have yet to see any hard data, just anecdotal claims. I would love to see the data so I can stop carrying it if it really isn’t the gun I have found it to be in my personal experience. The HK USP 9 is my second favorite and then the CZ; not too keen on the XD, no ability to cock one handed if I lose a limb. If my Ruger really is an inferior gun I would love to know so I could carry my HK instead as my primary.
Thanks.
Same answer that JW777 gave you. You can reach out to agencies that issued or authorized them in number, or talk to Ruger CS people.
If you attend the Ruger ACs, they also identify those parts as common maintenance items.
My assertion is based on observed failures, and the experience of two larger user groups and their guns. (100+ units each)
Over the years, others have posted information in AARs and the like with essentially the same infromation.
Are they flawed in design, functionality, manufacturing, materials, etc…
I’ll have to defer to a metallurgist or an engineer for that.
What should I “watch” for in those sepcific parts? Just to be aware if/when they break? To look for specific indications of there weakness’?
Watch for all the usual things you would in interacting parts. Resistance, travel, movement (desired or otherwise), signs of anomalous same, and more visible things like excess wear, breakage, cracking, etc.
I’d have to dig my armorers manuals and maintenance docs out for more detail than that.
I have had a stainless P-95 for a few years now and I have really tried to love it, but it just has not happened. My survey (size of one) resulted in disappointment.
Out of the box, it had about 1 FTF per mag and took forever to break in and shed that habit. The trigger is heavy, and I just don’t shoot it well at all compared to just about everything else I own.
Myself and a LEO friend of mine both have Ruger LCRs and LOVE them! Outstanding carry guns, far exceed a current J frame with that stinkin malfunction prone lock.
Ruger makes wonderful rimfire pistols and rifles…
Other than that, Ruger makes wonderful rimfire pistols and rifles…
For what it’s worth removing the internal lock on S&W revolvers is cake and there are tutorials to be found online.
Where did you get that bit of silliness??
Which Tank divisions? Pretty sure we called them Armor divisions when I was in.
What happened, was the command responsible for purchasing weapons for the US Army,…Automotive, Tank and Armament Command, or something close to that, purchased Rugers, along with numerous other 9mm’s for foreign military assistance, and issue to indigenous personnel. Not US troops.
(my specifics are probably off, but that’s the gist of it)
No US Military troops are carrying Rugers as a duty weapon.
You’re obviously a Ruger fanboy, and that’s cool, but…
The only Rugers I’ve ever seen in a police holster, were cops who had to purchase their own weapons with no guide lines, and were to cheap to pony up $398 for a Glock. Oh, and Massad Ayoob’s dept. up in NH, how many of them are there?
I know of no major, winning competitors in any discipline, outside of a rimfire one, that is using, let alone winning with, a Ruger.
I know of no major LE purchase’s, fed, local or otherwise.
There are multiple SME here, who have said they have issues, I’ll just take their word for it.
As for “gun tests”, they have to be the worst of them. If you read there magazine long enough, eventually you will see them contradict themselves, either in their judging criteria, their pics, or what have you.
One month a gun will suck, a few months later it wins the test.
Their criteria is usually subjective, and of a sample of one. And, cost mitigates everything to them.
Maybe they have changed in the years since I stopped looking at them.
Either way, there is much better info right here.
Bob