Hi Doc. When you mention the 62 gr Fusion can you confirm you’re talking about F223FS1. Thanks
My daughter took her first hog with a Nosler Partition over 25gr of H335. That round hit HARD on that hog.
DocGKR,
If we up the weight of the target hog to the 200-250 range, would your list remain the same or would you adjust? Also, what rounds would you recommend with the modern combat style handgun as a primary or secondary weapon in a hog hunt?
If stuck using a 5.56 mm/.223 then the list stays the same. In all honesty, when getting after bigger critters, that is a good time to slap a 16" 6.8mm or .300 BLK upper on the AR15 lower…
I like a .44 Mag running Hornady XTP’s or Barnes XPB’s for handgun hunting; obviously .45 LC, .41 Mag, .357 Mag with a heavier loading also work. For a service caliber handgun, I’d probably stick with a heavier bonded projectile or Barnes XPB.
DocGKR,
Thanks! I’ve had a personal fascination with 300 BLK/Whisper since I heard of it sometime back and look forward to trying it on some hogs. What is you opinion of 10mm in this context?
Thanks again.
Not as good as a large bore revolver, but a better than the common service calibers.
I went hog hunting last week and two guys were using their PD fragmenting 5.56 load (not sure which one, something Remington), I used the 70 grain TSX load from ASYM, and the other guy used 300 BLK with some load from Atlanta Arms.
What I re-confirmed, as I do every time I do this, is that shot placement is everything, ammo selection is secondary, caliber selection (within reason) is tertiary. This does not mean that I’m advocating using a non-expanding .22 short, so let’s not go there. Virtually any fragmenting or deforming round in 5.56, .308, or any other common hunting load is going to do more than fine on any pig of typical size. Although, the last time I went the only guy that got a “one shot stop” did it with a heart/lung from XM193 so…
All of us dropped our pigs, none more dramatically than any other, and none of the would channels appears any drastically more impressive than any other.
ETA: I can post pictures if anyone is that interested, but we’ll probably need a warning on the thread title as they are “graphic”.
However, my suggestion would be to just shoot ‘em in the fuckin’ head. I wanted to see the wound channel for mine so I shot her in the body, but in hindsight and in terms of just killing the damn thing I wish I’d have just put one in her head.
I am a big supporter of that concept when applicable.
Have a setup caipable of headshots at your most probable range with ammo caipable of sufficient performance if the head is not a realistic option.
Boom.
Rob s… I would love to see some hunting pics comparing the wound channels of the different rounds. If not here maybe in PM. I could edit the OP for a warning if need be or maybe a Mod can do it if Im unable.
well, they’re not so much wound channel as they are exit/entry.
We have posted a couple of videos of the DRT Ammo in gel on Youtube. We were impressed. We have not had a chance to have a third party do a full accuracy test yet. When that happens, we’ll post that too. Here is the video: http://goo.gl/WJLU8
We also just did an article on .300 AAC Blackout. No testing yet, but more fuel on the Blackout fire for sure. It’s here: goo.gl/03w4r
In case anyone is interested, we posted an article by Bill Wilson on his go to gear for hog hunting. This is a guy that has or has access to all the best stuff out there for hog hunting. He lives for hog hunting and has personally taken over 1000 hogs through the years. He even developed a new caliber for it. When it comes hog hunting (among some other things) he is one of the most knowledgable people out there. Disclosure: While SHWAT is not beholden to any one company, group or individual, we are honored to have Bill Wilson as a new contributor on our blog (www.shwat.com). We consider him to be an expert in a number of fields and are grateful for his participation.
Thanks, good to know!
ETA: Where do you recommend shopping for these type of rounds? LGS doesn’t have much variety.
I assume you are referring to the 7.62x40WT. The round was actually developed by a wildcatter that Bill bought the design from and then hired. I have one of his original barrels.
It is a great round, especially with the 110gr TAC-X SBR and the new 110gr TTSX which was released especially for it and the 300BLK. Basically take a 300BLK and add 150-200fps with lighter (110-125gr) bullets and you’ll have an idea. It doesn’t handle subs like the 300, but really shines with the light supersonics.
Regarding the Barnes bullets in the 7.62x40, here are some pics of the 110gr TSX and the 110gr TAC-X SBR that were shot into water. The bullet on the left is the standard TSX (for .308 velocities) and the one on the right is the TAC-X SBR (designed for the lower velocities of 7.62x40 and 300 BLK). These were out of a 16" 7,62x40 at approximately 2500fps.
The engineering that went into these bullets never fails to amaze me.
Agreed. Looking at them from the front you can see the expanded diameter is about the same for both (and is excellent) but the side view shows how much farther down the shank the SBR bullet expanded. That means it should look like the standard TSX if it impacts after losing about 500fps, which means it adds alot to the effective range.
Very well done IMO.
I recently just finished a contract for the USDA and used the Black Hills with 62 TSX… 325 hogs were harvested at ranges from 25 yds to a bit over 400 yards and all were DRT with head, neck or high shoulder shots…
All were via an AR and were killed at night using a a NF 1-4/PVS-24…
Recovered Boolits…
Most of those bullets look really good. Just one or two that doesn’t, but all in all, not bad.
Thanks for the pictures.