Well this is interesting news...

[i]SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - The scene repeats itself daily on city streets: a driver gets stuck bumper to bumper, blocking an intersection and preventing another car from turning left.

But authorities say that was enough to cause Edwin Ramos to unload an AK-47 assault weapon on a man and his two sons, killing them.

The deaths immediately drew public outrage, which intensified when authorities revealed that Ramos, 21, is an illegal immigrant who managed to avoid deportation despite previous brushes with the law.

The case has put San Francisco’s liberal politics to the test, setting off a debate over its sanctuary law that shields undocumented immigrants from deportation.

On Wednesday, Ramos pleaded not guilty to three counts of murder in the deaths of Anthony Bologna, 49, and his sons, Michael, 20, and Matthew, 16. Bologna and his older son died in the intersection on June 22. His younger son succumbed to his injuries days later.

Shortly after that, police arrested Ramos, a native of El Salvador and reputed member of the Mara Salvatrucha gang, known as MS-13. Investigators believe he was the gunman, though two other men were seen in the car with him.

The heinousness of the deaths has put pressure on San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris to seek the death penalty against Ramos. Harris, who campaigned on an anti-death penalty platform and has never pursued capital punishment during her more than four years in office, has declined to say exactly how she intends to proceed.

“This case has been charged as a special circumstance case,” making it eligible for the death penalty, spokeswoman Erica Derryck said. “No additional announcement has been made about this aspect of the charging.”

Ramos’ attorney, Robert Amparan, said his client was not the shooter. “They have the wrong person,” he said.

Amparan declined to discuss details of the case, but he denied his client was involved in gang activity and said Ramos entered the country legally. Federal authorities contend Ramos is undocumented.

The victims’ family learned that Ramos had been arrested at least three times before the shooting and evaded deportation, largely because of San Francisco’s sanctuary status.

The policy, adopted in 1989 by the city’s elected Board of Supervisors, bars local officials from cooperating with federal authorities in their efforts to deport illegal immigrants.

Officials in the juvenile offenders agency interpreted the law to also shield underage felons from deportation by refusing to report undocumented ones. Mayor Gavin Newsom said he rescinded the policy regarding juvenile offenders after learning about it in May.

The Bolognas’ relatives say Ramos apparently benefited from the policy when he reportedly was convicted twice of felonies in 2003 and 2004 but never was turned over for deportation.

“All San Francisco’s sanctuary ordinance has done is bring violence and death to this once-great city,” said Frank Kennedy, who is married to Anthony Bologna’s sister.

Kennedy called for an investigation of the sanctuary policy and demanded “prosecutions for violating the law.”

Meanwhile, local and federal authorities are pointing fingers at each other over Ramos’ most recent arrest before the shooting.

Ramos was arrested in late March with another man after police discovered a gun used in a double homicide in the car Ramos was driving.

The district attorney’s office decided not to file charges against Ramos, and he was released April 2 even though he was in the process of being deported after his application for legal residence was denied, according to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

San Francisco Sheriff’s Department spokesman Eileen Hirst said jail officials faxed ICE on March 30 asking if Ramos should remain jailed. Ramos was freed after Hirst said immigration officials didn’t respond.

ICE spokesman Timothy Counts said his agency did not receive word of Ramos’ arrest in March. He said the only communication received about Ramos was an “electronic message” from the sheriff’s department three hours after his release.

The case has garnered national attention, leading U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., and an anti-immigration group called Californians for Population Stabilization to ask the U.S. Department of Justice to take over, alleging San Francisco authorities have mishandled it.

“Because San Francisco’s political leaders have already demonstrated their willingness to act in flagrant violation of federal law, I do not believe that local judicial institutions can be trusted to fairly try the case or mete out an appropriate punishment,” Tancredo said in a letter sent Tuesday to U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey.

Justice Department spokesman Charles Miller said he was unaware of the case and the congressman’s request. Miller said the attorney general routinely responds privately to such requests.

Diana Hull, president of Californians for Population Stabilization, called on about a dozen cities nationwide with similar sanctuary policies to end those programs.

“We need to remember always that a death-dealing policy like ‘sanctuary’ hides behind the false mantle of compassion,” Hull said.

Nathan Ballard, a spokesman for San Francisco’s mayor, said city officials were wrong to shield undocumented, juvenile felons from federal immigration authorities.

“The sanctuary program was never intended to shield felons,” Ballard said. “The policy was inappropriate.”

However, Newsom “still supports the worthwhile aims of denying the federal government” assistance in deporting otherwise law-abiding undocumented residents, he said. [/i]

What? I thought AK47s were illegal in California. :rolleyes:

What? An illegal alien with an illegal gun, in San Francisco? 2 wrongs make a right?

It is surprising to see that the SF politicians are not pointing fingers at the guns, but rather THE CRIMINALS with the guns. Kinda makes sense…in San Fran, that’s spooky.

It is funny how I am watching the news as I type this, hearing the “Feds” demanding “swift and immediate action” with the FLDS polygamist “clan” in Texas, Utah and Arizona…

I guess all the undocumented gang members, drug dealers and other low life’s that can’t follow the law have not caused enough of a stir in these areas to draw any attention. They live under 8 different aliases on a constant catch and release program. Ignorance is bliss…:rolleyes:

The only jurisdiction I can think of that is not a “safe haven” is Maricopa County, AZ (Sheriff Joe Arpaio).

You should come work a few shifts out west. That is every other crash after dark. What is this Border Patrol you speak of? ICE will only come out on very serious or high profile cases. Not BP’s or ICE’s fault. The chips are stacked against them too. No license, no insurance, no english…oh well, tell me your name, I’ll take your word for it and I’ll see you in court (yeah, right).

one of the guys i work with was stabbed in the skull by an illegal who also had been deported several times . he is a known cop fighter in new jersey . this cop despite being millimeters from death was able to draw and fire several times hitting this mutt several times . unfortunately this pos survived his gunshots and other resisting arrest incurred injuries and is awaiting trial . the officer has made a full recovery and is back at work .

One of the few people I have never met but regardless often truly wish bad things upon.

I hate the motherf**ker.

I got a speeding ticket in Ohio a few years ago and decided to fight it since the cop had put down the wrong township. (How can he know how fast I was going if he doesn’t know where he is, plus the speed limit increases 1/4 up the highway.

I show up and expect to be able to fight it, but is just the plea and if I want to fight it, I would have to go to real court the week that my son was going to be born. I knew my luck, I’d miss it, forget and get cuff’d and stuff’d, so I decide I’ll just end it. The only problem is that they are going alphabetical, and I’m in the Rs and there are over 100 people. Double damn. Well, they get thru C and then they pause, the prosector, judge and a lady start talking. They inform everyone that they are going to deal with the Spanish only speakers tickets now so the interpreter can go. The Hispanics, no English, no drivers license, no insurance, no registration, but plenty of open Cervases. Each has 90 days to prove they have all the above, and they are free to go.

Soooo, 90 minutes later my turn comes up. You are supposed to just plead, but my Irish is up a bit. I tell the judge that I thought I was going to be able to fight the ticket tonight since there is a error on the ticket. He asks what and I say:

“If the township doesn’t fit, you must acquit.”

Some chuckles, he’s annoyed. He says that its immaterial since I was 15 over, and I said that the speed limit goes up in that area, and a 5 over ticket wouldn’t be points. If the cop can’t identify the township, does he know where he is? He says tough luck. I tell him;

“If I had known all this, I would have pretended not to speak English and I would have been out of here two hours ago.”

He didn’t take kindly to that, but I got some chears out of that. To bad it wasn’t a jury trial. I pleaded Nolo because I was not going to plead guilty.

Meanwhile I’ve been gone three hours and my wife is sure that I’m in the pokey since I told her my Johnny Cohcrane plan.

They could have at least made the guys stay until their part of the alphabet came along.

Why don’t they use the pic where he is attempting to Felate the interviewers microphone?

In Chicago you win elections by having the dead vote for you, in SF they make you earn it apparently.

This is definately my favorite thread of the week due to the responses and the karma of the republic of kalivornia kicking them in the nuuuts.

I’ve long considered San Francisco a fairly effective quarantine for idiocy.

If Mayor Newsom really wants his city to be special, and considering that the Bush administration has proposed moving all those nasty infectious agents from Plum Island to the mainland, I hereby nominate San Francisco.

Efficient, no? :wink:

I was born and raised in California until I joined the military at 17. Since then I have lived there off/ on for a couple years at a time and then left again. I honestly can say that I feel safer when I am in Iraq than I do at home because at least I can defend myself and have like-minded individuals around me if something should happen.

California (was) is a beautiful state that has been hijacked by all the fruits and kooks and it is never going to be great again. This douche bag mayor is a perfect example of this. Cities like S.F, L.A and other turn the blind eye to the illegals and refuse to cooperate with the feds and once again it has cost the lives of tax paying American citizens. I will be so glad when I finally get out and move to Arizona. Though Arizona isn’t a perfect state, I can at least carry a firearm for self-defense and I am not a criminal because of the guns that I choose to own. It’s a really sad state of affairs and I feel sorry for those that can’t move away.

I would have told him I just wiped my ass with that microphone.

The anger is growing, it wont be long before someone teaches san francisco a lesson.

When I call places, and hit the switchboard, I press the #2 or #1 for Spanish. You get to a person faster than menu surfing, and it is fun to here the tone in their voice change from “buenos tartes” to, “you speak English?”.

After watching more coverage of this story on Fox news I learned this PUNK even tried robbing a pregnant woman and was arrested for carrying a stolen weapon. And this filthy trash was still allowed to walk around free to rob and kill again. Funny how politicans tell you who you have to live with when they live in gated communities with armed security and never have to worry about crime.

And neither the mayor or the city will even apologize to Miss. Bologna for this tragedy. I really hate the peoples republic of Kalifornia!

This is an incredibly tragic story. I feel so bad for the mother/wife. To lose so much because of one worthless piece of shit illegal who had no business in the USA to begin with.

That state reaps what it sews.

Sadly, they paid the price for living in paradise.