So I’ve been reading and there are those out there that like iron sights as back up for optics but others that claim that flipping them up into position just takes too long in case if optic failure. Others claim we don’t need to back up for our optics because they are so reliable but what if they’re wrong? The arrival of an NOS offset Burkett Predator mount got me to thinking, why not use a red dot to back up a red dot? The backup would be instantly available and what are the odds both would go down at the same time? Problem is that it makes the SBR look weird with a T2 on top in a LaRue QD Mount and a RMR in the Burkett. Just too much crap hanging off of it. And then there is the cost of it all. What do you all think? Is this the dumbest idea ever or brilliant beyond words?
Brilliant? Negative Ghostrider the pattern is full.
And that’s why they make fixed irons.
My SOP says whenever my AR has an RDS, it has fixed irons. Not as popular these days it seems, you can reason why that is, I have my own suspicions.
DD, Troy, PRI, LaRue make excellent fixed irons to name a few, and they cost a lot less than a new proven optic.
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Yeah, that.
Do what you want really, but irons is twtg. If in a scenario that the time of flipping irons up would mean life or death, they should have been flipped from the start.
Second offset RDS also doesn’t address fogging issues, which may be why you’re unable to use your primary optic.
If you Google Cabela’s 3x circle dot you will see reviews where it was offered with a piggy back feflex back up ,and yes it looked weird . I took the rails off my Cabelas circle dot . The best back up is this / Red dot properly installed at the right hight to put the perment front sight in the middle of it ,this way if dot goes out the unit becomes a large rear peep sight . You will be shocked how fast and accurate you can hit at real senerio ranges this way .
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They need to make a flip up rear peep combined with an RDS mount. Or a fixed rear peep combined with an RDS mount similar to what is found on pistols that have RDS mounted with suppressor height sights.
Combined with a fixed front HK style sight, this would be fast, light and accurate enough for emergency uses
I used to take time to turn on red dot or flip up rear sight every shot until one night when an armadillo ran across the field and I just put the front sight on it and shot it was so easy I never worry with rear sight or taking time to turn on the dot anyone at close range . Of course cheek weld I’d crucial this way as is with rear sight .
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+1 on the fogging issue, come out of a cold vehicle on a very hot day and any glass will be unusable for a while
Honestly, with the ruggedness of today’s red dots like Aimpoint, the chances of your optic going down are pretty slim if maintenanced correctly.
The backup irons are there because nothing is perfect, but unless you’re in near zero ambient light, they work great… hence the white light.
It’s not the dumbest idea, nor is it brilliant beyond words. The idea has two major hurdles to overcome- cost and institutional inertia but it does have merit. What I would do (and I’ve actually thought of doing this as an experiment) is run both RDS inline with each other with one sighted in at around one hundred yards and the other at very close range, maybe 10. That would give the shooter two dots. One for longer ranges and one for close range to compensate for offset. It would also give the shooter a backup sight if one should go down. Fogging would still be a problem, but fogging is still a problem with back up irons unless the back up irons are offset.
Really, what I want is a two dot Aimpoint but overcoming institutional inertia to get the idea accepted by the shooting community is nearly impossible.
So you may not win any beauty contests, and yes you will have to adjust a little to that rear sight, but if you train (not once a month range day) and use a proper sight picture it does not interfere with getting a good sight picture and rounds on your target. I’ve ran this from day one. I was out Saturday for 4 1/2 hours running drills with the 10.3 you saw and another SBR. Over obstacles, beside obstacles and sweating heard, breathing heavy, eyes blurry from sweat, I still got clean torso and head shots. Repeatedly. Yes I’ve debated sometimes using a rear folding sight, it is cleaner… yes it looks more cool than with a bigger fixed rear sight. But if you want a true “backup sighting system” that’s instant ready - this is what guys have used to kill bad guys. My take is that if it worked for them, it can work for me.
Your other option has been mentioned. Use your reticle and front sight. I think Frank Proctor even suggests that. VoR is right. A good Aimpoint or EOTech likely isn’t going to fail. Although I did have a friend send me a pic of me M68 CCO that is bravo delta.
It can happen, maybe rare, but anything can happen. If you want an instant-don’t miss a beat- sighting system, this is it. IMO. And it works.
I am very particular about keeping my eyglasses , shooting optics and bios clean and use cat crap defogger cleaner so fogging is not an issue for me .
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Who’s Kydex is that?
Gunfighters[Inc]
I believe Pat Rogers advocated a visible laser as a backup for a RDS going down.
He wrote an article in SWAT I believe.
I know it’s not exactly what you asked, but slapping a CT Railmaster on your rifle would probably be a whole lot less cumbersome than adding a second RDS.
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Fogging is the #1 reason irons why 2 out of 3 of my serious rifles have offset irons. If your LPV fogs, so will your offset RDS.
The 3rd has a T-2 with traditional BUIS (Magpul Pros) and my likely use of the optic in a humid environment with no time to defog is just leave the front and rear lens covers down - since the rear is clear, shoot both eyes open and you will still see the dot.
Even then I think about putting offsets on it.
My cousin runs a 2nd offset RDS for pcc competitions, for around difficult angles.
Also, +1 on the fogging issue
How about this instead? 3X ACOG TA33 with RMR as close range and back up sight.
