for many, if you have to ask the serial number range, then it’s hands off for a carry weapon IMO.
I’ll first admit I have an AD-prefix PPS.
But using that rationale would keep you from several great weapons, including M&Ps and (debateably) the Glock 19.
My PPS has been an awesome Concealed Carry Gun. Yes, the trigger was a bit “gritty” when I first got it but I fired 650 rounds thru it so far and it smoothed quite out a bit. I have also had Zero malfunctions so far with it and never cleaned it & it’s never seen a drop of lube. This gun is gtg if you need something that conceals great even when you are wearing a semi tight t-shirt.
The mag base plates are kinda awkward, especially the ones on the 6 rounder.
I love my PPS. Over 500 rounds without a problem and it practically disappears on me, especially in the summer time.
I think of it as a single stack Glock with better ergonomics and a Euro-style mag release.
It is a bit tighter tolerance wise then other guns. I had issues with return to battery - but only after I inserted a new magazine - for the first 25-ish rounds, then it worked flawlessly. This doesn’t bother me since I had not cleaned it yet and was firing it factory new. Even then, from what I’ve read, with some lube on the disconnector and more round count the gun wears in quickly and this isn’t a problem.
After 200+ rounds the trigger has smoothed up nicely as well.
My only complaint so far is after extended range sessions it becomes uncomfortable to the hand. A grip from Limbsaver has cured that problem. I don’t carry it with the Limbsaver though, as its only after several magazines that it even starts to become uncomfortable. My friend who has one doesn’t have that problem, but his hand is slightly smaller so that may help.
Either way, very nice gun and I prefer it by far over the similar size Kahr and Kel Tecs as the PPS is just large enough to be mostly comfortable and has much better sights.
how does it compare in size to say a kahr cw9?
how does it compare in size to say a kahr cw9?
I carried a CW40 for a year and a half. With the 7 round magazine, the PPS is just about the same size. The 6 rounder brings the grip length more in line with PM/MKs (though is still a bit longer than those). The 8 rounder will bring you into T-series territory, which is cool at the range, but isn’t terribly useful for concealment purposes.
its a toss between the two for the wifes new CCW
its a toss between the two for the wifes new CCW
Kahr QC can be spotty. Mine was fine, but many have reported less favorable results, it’s worse with the polymer guns.
The CW series has a pinned front sight, so Night Sights aren’t possible for it.
The CW series has sharp edges, they’re rough on your holster but generally don’t bite during operation.
Kahr recommends in their manual that you load from slide lock because cartridges have trouble chambering when you rack it by hand (the tolerances for feeding are THAT tight), no such problems with the Walther. I will admit the hand-rack feeding on Kahrs improves with break in.
Now, for the reason I dumped my Kahr CW and will never, ever, ever, ever consider another polymer Kahr as long as I live despite the fact that mine was good to me: the mag release sticks out ALOT but doesn’t have enough slack in it’s travel to be trimmed down. I can’t tell you how often during my daily carry I’d found my Kahr had popped it’s magazine (not enough for it go flying out or anything, but enough that if I fired it, it definetely wouldn’t feed the next round). Note that I carried right handed IWB, other carry methods may be less vulnerable to this.
I’ve carried a lot of different guns from different manufacturers and my Kahr CW was the only gun I experienced this problem with. I suspect it’s less of a problem on the steel models, though, as the grip panels stick out past the mag release.
I replaced my Kahr with a G26, which I replaced with my PPS for the reasons listed above (basically it came down to pocket-carryability and slightly better control and accuracy).
The PPS is, quite literally for my money, the best concealment 9mm in the world.
Ok, dumb question time…
I own a Kahr PM9 and a Glock 26.
The Glock 26 lives in a Fist kydex pocket holster. Great gun and very shootable, but chunky to pocket carry, only really works in cargo type pockets.
The Kahr PM9 is easy to carry, but almost too small to grab in a hurry. Mine is reliable. For it’s size, it’s shootable, but not as much as the Glock 26. My shooting with the Glock 26 is close enough to my skill level with a full size gun that I don’t worry about not having something bigger. My skill level with the PM9, not so.
The PPS appears to be about the same size, as the Glock 26, except for the width.
Can one effectively pocket carry the PPS? For a pocket gun, I like the idea of the PPS magazine release.
I refuse to go below 9mm for any type of carry gun.
I only really pocket carry on occasion. I usually carry a Glock 19 year round in a IWB tuckable kydex holster.
Can one effectively pocket carry the PPS?
I’ve been doing so for the past 6 months in jeans or dress slacks with zero complaints, sometimes in extremely public environments.
Which magazine do you use while pocket carrying your gun? The 6 rd, or the 7 rd?
I am seriously considering buying a PPS. The price of the PPS magazines is ridiculous, but the current promotion will at least provide a second magazine.
Which magazine do you use while pocket carrying your gun? The 6 rd, or the 7 rd?
The 6 rounder, the 7 makes the grip too long for pocket carry IMO.
In re: mag prices, I seem to recall some time ago Grant of G&R Tactical mentioning that they could sell PPS mags for $30 apiece a few months ago, might wanna check with him if you’re planning to stock up. (I myself never carry an extra magazine, so I’m fine just having a 6 rounder and a 7 rounder).
Why? Would not this or several other guns such as a S&W 3913,3953 or a Sig 239 be more than adequate as carry weapons for a person that wanted to ccw? Factor in carrying an extra mag and you now have 12-17 rounds in a smaller overall package. I’ve never understood the need for regular citzens to carry all these high capacity 9’s for ccw. I can understand it for a policeman or a soldier but for the average guy only looking to defend himself or his loved ones doesn’t a gun like the PPS fit the bill? I mean we carry not to intervene in say a bank robbery or something of that nature, right? Or am I missing something in all of this?
I am not LE or Mil but here are the reasons I chose to carry as many rounds IN the gun. For me its either a Glock 19 (15+1) or a Glock 26 (10+1) for my EDC.
-I don’t look for trouble, but if it finds me I want as many rds in the gun on tap aspossible. I would rather not rely on a reload in a high stress dynamic situation like that.
-everything in life is a compromise, including carry rigs. When I have to chose btw having no gun on me or myu 5 shot Ruger LCR, guess which I take. Would I rather have my Glock? You bet, but 5 rds is better than 0.
This is my thinking on the subject. I am not saying that a pistol with 6 rds isn’t enough. If you are GTG with it go forward with confidence!
The arguement that the average joe dosent need a “high cap” pistol platform is a dangerous one. Who’s to say what I need or want, no one but me. Careful with that one…
-Drew
Perhaps your right. I remember reading recently on another forum about the Navy SEALS carrying the 239 when they are on low profile missions in plainclothes or some of the Air Marshals carrying the 239 because it’s more easily concealed. I figured if it’s good enough for them it should be good enough for me. Maybe that post influenced my thoughts on this subject. Didn’t mean to step on any toes.
Why don’t you carry the g26 IWB? Does carrying the g19 IWB feel about the same carrying the g26 IWB?
Its all good! I was just tossing out my thoughts. There are some times when only a small pistol will do. Thankfully we have access to them.
-drew
With my IWB holster, I could carry the Glock 26 IWB. But I can conceal the Glock 19 just as well as the Glock 26 IWB, and I really can’t notice the difference. So if going IWB, it’s a Glock 19.
What I am looking for is a pocket gun for those infrequent times I am not carrying IWB (I carry IWB most of the time in the summer, using a tuckable type kydex holster.).
I have a Fist #5 Kydex holster for my Glock 26. Works as well as can be expected, in cargo type shorts pockets. I can shoot it almost as well as the Glock 19, and have confidence in my ability to shoot it under stress.
I own a Kahr PM9. Mine is reliable, but it’s so small that under stress, it fells too small. My confidence with shooting this under stress, especially at distances, is not up to par with my Glock 26.
I am thinking the PPS might be a compromise between these two guns. Easier to pocket carry than the Glock 26, yet more shootable than the PM9.