So as everyone is aware from my previous post I am going to buy a new AR as soon as I get my Christmas bonus this year and I have picked the brains of various people on these forums and got some great insight. I ran into my local gun store today really quick after work to look around, and saw some great rifles and decided to see what they had to say. Now as not to get off on the wrong foot here, these guys are awesome. They run a great range and I have got great deals on both of my Glocks from them and up until today they have given me great and honest advice. I was browsing with a buddy of mine liking at rifles and everything else they have, and I spotted a few different Colt 6920’s on the wall and asked to handle them. I have been pretty set that a 6920 is the rifle I’m going to buy and just wanted a little more fondling time before I buy. I began talking with one of the guys there and I started to pick his brain on AR’s and his opinions on things. They were selling the 6929 for around $1600 it does have an LE lower though. I told him that my local Walmart has the same gun (minus the LE lower) for about $1090. He told me that there are several guns at lower prices at Walmart because of deals they have with certain companies (colt, sig, bushmaster) and that they are lesser, and more cheaply built with non quality parts. An example was he told me that the sig M400’s barrels were made by mossberg and not by sig. I wasn’t surprised by these statements as I’ve heard them before. Are there any merits to walmarts’ AR’s and ammo being just cheap and dumbed down? Also, I got to handle the Sig M400 for the 1st time today and I really liked how it felt, even better than the Colt 6920. I like the weight, the ambi sling mount points and yeah I just really liked the gun. Soon I am going to go and put some rounds through both of them and see which one I will take home. So, with that being said what are the complaints other than the elitist nit-picking on the Sig AR platform? The rifle has a chrome-lined barrel, and I believe it is 100 percent mil-spec. I browsed a Few forums on the topic, and didn’t really see what the answers I needed. Thanks again guys!
Walmart also sells the LE verision of the Colt for about $100 dollars more and it’s the real thing from Colt. No substitute parts regardless of what others tell you. 100% Milspec. kwg
Walmart isn’t selling guns with lower quality parts than the same model that your LGS is selling. If you like the Colt 6920, buy it from Walmart and buy a case of ammo and then some with the savings over your LGS. I certainly wouldn’t pay over $500 more for an LE marked lower.
First of all $1600 is waaaaayy too high for a 6920. That dealer is a greedy crook, as much as i dont care for walmart i wouldnt give the dealer a cent of my business.
Sig is not 100% milspec, the closest to a true milspec rifle is Colt.
Sigs are decent rifles with a pretty well though out lower, however they are using a AR15 carrier, carbine buffer, and its unknown if the barrel and bolt are hp/mpi tested.
I personally group sig rifles with s&w with quality, better than 80% of the brands out there but not quite top tier.
He lied to you so you would buy from him and pay his significant mark up. Remember that for dealing or not dealing with him in the future. What else is he going to lie about in order to take your money?
Typical gun store dumb ass. That’s why I don’t go to some of the gun stores I used to go to that are near me. I’d rather buy my stuff online.
$1,600 is a RIDICULOUS price for a 6920. Don’t pay more than $1,100 for one.
I take it he sells these too?
Just buy the Colt. At a reasonable price. Spend the extra money on ammo, training, an optic, some beef jerky whatever, not that dumbass rape artist.
A guy at my range was shooting a new Sig.
It constantly failed to lock back on empty.
The upper and lower needed a tool to field strip they were so tight.
Buy the Colt.
utilizing the search function the question would have also been answered for the record your local gun store is smoking the substance which contains THC.
That’s generous.
I’d say they are smoking crack!
It’s rampant. Found this today on my local PA boards
Colt LE 6920 With Restricted Roll Mark (New in Box)
This Colt M4 carbine is equipped with it all! Full DoD-approved quality control standards, a four-position collapsible stock, 16” heavy barrel with birdcage flash suppressor, full M16 bolt carrier, detachable carrying handle/flat top receiver, bayonet lug, sling, cleaning kit and 2-Colt 20Rd magazines. New in Box.
This rifle has all the features that made it a prime target for the Clinton Assault Weapon Ban. During the ban, Colt started stamping the LE 6920’s the following roll mark:
“Restricted Military / Government Law Enforcement / Export Use Only”
Once the ban sunsetted, these rifles became available to the general public but Colt still left the roll mark on until earlier this year. Now the rifles are no longer produced with the ‘Restricted’ roll mark.
This rifle is an investment as a collector item due to the roll mark, and also as a bet against the new assault weapon ban that Obama promised in the debates. Naturally, if worse comes to worst, you have a top-quality/military grade defensive weapon. Most people worry about protecting their investments; this is an investment that will protect you.
$2250
Cocaine is a hell of a drug…
Thank you guys I knew I would get some good opinions here. As of now $1100 is probably going to be my ceiling and that’s after tax. I would only add a sling and maybe change out the pistol grip because the standard AR grip doesn’t fit right in my hands. I’ve got plenty of mags and ammo here from my last AR so I’m good on that for now also. I will need a rifle that will require whatever ammo I feed it and some oil every once in awhile. Okay, next question. I’ve gotten 2 quotes from some local FFL guys and the lowest was a 6920 for $1300. Also, Walmart had one a few weeks ago, and they said they would be bringing them in a lot more. So, there is no quality issues with the Wal Mart Colt then? Who owns one with AR experience here? And if there’s anyone here who knows a good place with good prices in the Coeur D’ Alene-Spokane area? Thanks again guys.
And as far as the Colts at Wal-mart being made with cheaper materials goes…
Your gun store guys are full of shit.
It’s called buying power.
Wal-mart has it.
Your gun store doesn’t.
The US government pays around $700 for a Colt M4.
Again, this is because of their buying power.
A guy at my range was shooting a new Sig.
It constantly failed to lock back on empty.
The upper and lower needed a tool to field strip they were so tight.Buy the Colt.
I have never, on any website or on the range, seen or heard of anyone complain that their Sig M400 “failed to lock back” - ever. And I’ve seen quite a few M400s. Addionally, I’ve never seen one that needed a “tool” to field strip. Mine, and every other one I’ve examined, break down as easily as my Colt.
This website seems so reflexively anti-Sig that half the stuff I read on it about Sig must be taken as bullshit.
You don’t even know me, and you just called me a liar.
Well, I guess I really didn’t field strip this guy’s rifle to check his buffer, action spring, gas key, gas tube, etc.
I also didn’t let him use my mags and ammo to see if it was an issue.
Must have been a dream.
:rolleyes:
Get over yourself.
If YOUR rifle runs, good for you.
This guys rifle had problem right out of the box.
I have heard that Walmart’s TVs are supposedly made cheaper. Truth or not it does make you wonder.
Guns, I hope are all made the same.
Have to agree with Rowland here. I own the “Walmart Sig M400” and through 1000 rounds, it has never had ANY failure nor failed to lock back. I do NOT need any tool to field strip it either.
What rounds were being used? Failure to lock is typically due to an under powered round, isn’t it?
To the OP, the Sig and the Colt, even from Walmart, are great weapons and worth testing yourself. Open minds often save a ton of money, when they are used.
The problem here is that there are kernels of truth that have been overblown.
Kernel 1: Ruger at one time did some WalMart-only versions of the 10/22.
Kernel 2: WalMart does do business with some companies, primarily electronics manufacturers, to produce/sell special versions of models which are exclusive to W*M and sometimes cheaper than other versions of a similar product from the same manufacturer. These models have exclusive model numbers.
The problem is, just because W*M does this with a very small set of items, does not mean that it is done with EVERY item.
You can be certain that a Colt 6920 is the same, regardless of where you buy it, including WalMart.
We should start to be suspicious when Colt starts putting out rifles with different model numbers that are exclusively sold at W*M!
My father in law has a Colt that he purchased from Wal Mart when they first started carrying them. He and I have attended 2 carbine classes and our depts. semi annual weapons qualification and his piece of junk inferior parts Wal Mart Colt has been flawless. He has right at 5,000 rds. thru it and it has ran as a Colt or other quality rifle should. He has shot everything from Black Hills, Tap, down to Wolf and Tula and it eats everything as it should.
The reason Wal Mart gun, TVs, etc are so much cheaper is the concept of bulk buying. Just like when one of us goes to PSA, SG, or Aim and buys a case of ammo compared to a couple boxes. The price per box is cheaper the more you buy. Same is true at a much larger scale at Wal Mart. You LGS may buy 15 Colt ARs at a time where Wal Mart probably buys 1,500. It is just common sense that Wal Mart is going get them cheaper which in turn means they can sell them cheaper. LGS can not compete so that is where this bullshit about inferior parts gets started.
As far as the Sig M400 goes I have shot one on 2 occasions. A buddy, who is a very casual plinker, has one. I put a couple mags thru it and it ran OK but as someone else said the bolt did not lock back on the last round. When I asked him about it he said that it locked back about half the time. We tried different mags including PMAGS, NHMTG, and Lancer AWM and regardless of mags about half the time the bolt failed to lock back. I did not try to fix the issue so I do not know what is the cause of it. The way I see it isr why save $100 and buy something that may be OK when you could spend the extra $100 and have the gold standard. Plus God forbid rough times are in your future and yo u need to sell your rifle(It has happened to me) you are going to get a much more fair price for a Colt as compared to the Sig.