Hey all,
I submitted three efile form 1’s via my trust in March.
Yesterday I received via my linked email disapproval notices. The stated reason is in Wa. State you cannot manufacturer an SBR.
A friend of mine went the paper route with his trust for an SBR and received it.
Has anyone else had this happen to them?
Any input is appreciated.
There’s a big thread in the WAHTF on ARFCOM discussing it.
Link Big? I am not a member on ARFCOM.
Thanks
Shot you a PM. I don’t think they like links to that site on here very much. 
No worries and thank you for the info. I’ll just wait and watch.
Post a screen shot of the disapproval and reason? I bet the ARFCOM guys would love to see it.
There are already pictures.
-john
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It has to do with the language contained within the RCW. Except the BATF has already approved quite a few Form 1 applications. This should be fun to watch.
'Cept for those of us involved. 
-john
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I wouldn’t say it’s going to be fun to watch. Thousands of Wa. State residents are having their rights messed with because of unclear language in the bill.
It’s nothing to nash ones teeth about though. It’s less ranting and raving and more take a breath and let my congress critters figure this out. Crucifying the guy who disapproved me wont help either (plenty of ARFCOMer’s are going this route).
Refund my three stamps? Awesome, I’ll grab a can or two and wait for things to get sorted out.
I have been following the ARFCOM and Wa.guns threads. The rep that introduced this bill is on it but there is no time line. I recently found out that Rainier Arms is willing to Form 4 any lowers people want to registers. They will engrave the needed information but will hold onto the lower until the Form 4 clears. I’ve got an email out. I might go that route with a few more lowers since 41p has been pushed back. With politics, there is no for sure time frame.
How is Rainier Arms going to Form 4 someone else’s lower? There is no such thing as an SBR lower. Are people going to send their uppers in to do this?
Odd.
Purchased a BCM SBR lower from G&R.
Transferred to my dealer, populated the F4 with my final configuration specifications.
Approved F4 came back in 97 days.
No idea. I have not received an answer yet. I’m guessing, since the lowers are being disapproved they aren’t SBR’s yet they are just lowers. They will Form 4 your lower, hold onto it until it clears then transfer it to you. I do not know how they are obtaining people’s lowers.
I’m thinking this is similar to when you buy an SBR and have it transfered to an FFL then they will transfer it to you when the paperwork clears.
No idea about uppers Iraqgunz, I’m not worried about my uppers.
JML that makes sense since you did not manufacturer the SBR you just purchased it and had it transfered to you. That’s legal. Manufacturing one is not though, according to someone at the Wa. State DOL and the ATF.
Edit to add; this is just what I have read and my understanding. I am in no way saying this is what’s going on. Pure speculation on my part.
I’m curious as well, but my guess is you have to buy/supply the remaining parts to finish a SBR.
-john
Unless you buy one from an FFL that can legally manufacture them in Wa. State? That’s how I’m thinking it works.
They make it, you buy it from them. I think what Rainier is doing (as I understand it, until I get word back from them) how they get your lower to make it into an SBR is lost to me.
I’ll update if I get any comm’comm’s back from them.
When was that? Because it was being done a few years back and then the BATFE clarified that it cannot happen. Noveske and Spike’s were doing a similar deal. But since an Form 1 needs to have OAL, barrel length, etc… on there it cannot be done. A lower doesn’t meet the definition of an SBR which is why if you remove the short upper and sell it off, the lower becomes a Title I weapon again if you add a 14.5 (permed)+ upper on it.
And you can also sell that F1 lower as a GCA firearm, or cross state lines without a 5320.20. At that point it’s just a lower with some extra engraving.
F4 mailed Dec 2010 and approved Mar 2011.
Correct. So maybe I am missing something as to how they are going to accomplish this.