Vickers/Hackathorn Low Light Level I -- May 2008 AAR

Day 1 –

Began the day doing carbine work, basic accuracy, turning, transitions to sidearm, fundamentals of the use of LIE, and transitions to sidearm using the white light of the carbine.

Moved to doing pistol work. Basic accuracy, the wobble drill, drawing, use of the white light in conjunction with the pistol, break for some dinner. After the dinner break we went over defensive room clearing. Several individuals in the class had never done any sort of room clearing exercise before. To paraphrase Mr. Vickers, anyone who tells you that room clearing is “easy” is a yutz. Room clearing is certainly not easy. Those who have done quite a bit of room clearing before did pretty well in the shoothouse, at least during the day. Daylight ran out on us before about half of the shooters had been through the shoothouse, forcing use of the white light for those folks.

As I said earlier, many people hadn’t been through any room clearing training before. The key to defensive clearing is to take things slow and deliberately. There is a natural impulse to think you have to move really quickly and shoot really fast. That’s not the case. As Mr. Hackathorn said a couple of times, you have the rest of your life to deal with the problem. A number of shooters moved too quickly through the house and some were too quick on the trigger resulting in unarmed targets getting plugged. It’s critical to take that extra 1/4 of a second to properly identify whether or not what/whom you are about to drop the hammer on deserves to be shot. Accuracy from most shooters was decent…at least during the daylight runs through the house.

As Mr. Vickers said numerous times, stuff that you can do easily during the day takes on a whole new level of difficulty at night.

As was the case in the November class, we then ran through the drills performed during the day in the Ohio darkness. Things were actually fairly bright on the range for most of the night thanks to a very visible moon. In November as soon as the sun went down it was darker than #$%&! because of the intense cloud cover that meant no moon.

The carbine drills went fairly well, except many people failed to remember to move after their muzzle flash. Muzzle flash is, of course, a target indicator. It’s best not to hang around in the same spot where your muzzle flash just showed up. Muzzle flash from most people’s carbines was fairly minor. I, of course, had to be the exception. On three or four occasions with the carbine I ended up with a big white plume flashbulbing me and completely destroying my night vision for over half a second. This, of course, didn’t help my accuracy any.

Once again shooters who didn’t have a red dot on their carbine learned the advantages of them…and they learned that if they didn’t have the funds to purchase one that they should either:

A. Rob a 7-11 to get the money to buy one **
B. Whore out the wife to get the money to buy one **

(** Note: This is a bit of humor used to drive home an important point. Nobody was actually advocating robbery or whoring out your wife. I swear that the first person who complains about those comments is going to get a wedgie of Biblical proportions)

The live fire carbine/pistol transitions using the carbine’s white light were enlightening. To my puzzlement I was shooting my 9mm M&P more accurately with one hand in the dark than I was my carbine using a red dot and both hands. The most likely explanation for this phenomenon is that I suck.

Many in the class found that Mr. Vickers’ warnings about accuracy earlier in the day were well founded. Groups opened up dramatically. Some of the targets looked like somebody was blasting at them with buckshot from 80 yards out. Mr. Hackathorn and Mr. Vickers both said “If you find that your groups in the dark are only twice as big as they are during daylight, you’re VERY fortunate.” When you are trying to remember proper light use techniques and proper movement and you are shooting at a target you can hardly see, your accuracy tends to suffer. The more clock cycles of brain power you have to dedicate to things other than pulling the trigger, the more your accuracy will suffer.

This is precisely the reason that HSLD types drill this stuff until they can do it if they are lobotomized. The reality of the situation is that if you are in the middle of a gunfight you are going to be busy as hell, and you need to have critical techniques like light use and proper trigger manipulation perfected to an almost subconscious level.

Also worthy of note is the importance of drilling GOOD PRACTICES to that level. An important point about “training scars” was brought up earlier in the day when yours truly was supposed to transition to his sidearm during a drill but suddenly started looking at the chamber of the weapon before actually performing the transition. Get the picture here: I am ten yards away from the target. My weapon goes click instead of bang when I am trying to address an active threat.

Realistically what can I expect to accomplish at that range by looking at my weapon? If the weapon is empty, I should transition to the sidearm. If it is jammed, I should transition to my sidearm. If it is broken, I should transition to my sidearm…So what does looking at the thing buy me during an active threat except extra opportunity to be shot?

On a conscious level, that makes lots of sense…but that’s where “training scars” (A term coined by Stony) come in. Improper programming can lead to you doing things that you don’t want to do when your brain is busy with other things…things like charging into a room when you shouldn’t, or looking at your weapon when you should be drawing your handgun, etc. The phrase “perfect practice makes perfect” is often used in the shooting world, but I don’t think many people understand just how critical it is to program your “reptilian” brain with proper techniques and practices. What you program yourself with WILL come back to you when your behind is on the line.

The night run through the shoothouse was, if you’ll pardon the pun, “enlightening”. Folks learned some very valuable lessons. Folks who were, to borrow Mr. Vickers’ term, “superstars” during the daylight run through the shoothouse had issues during the night run. Again, things get much harder when you’re trying to clear rooms AND use the light properly AND keep from stumbling over stuff AND make the angles work for you AND discriminate between threats and innocents at the same time. There was also a $#!%-you-up-the-a$$ target placed by the instructors in a sneaky location to remind you never to take ANY corner for granted that ended up killing most people in the shoothouse.

Students also learned that there really IS such a thing as “too much” light…as some folks with really bright lights ended up zapping their own vision with bright light that bounced off of white barrels making up the walls of the shoothouse. Most interior walls in the US are painted with light colors that reflect a lot of light. Mr. Hackathorn pointed out that a lot of people on the internet are “absolutely queer” about how many lumens a light can generate…which goes to show that they’ve not done much room clearing. A light that can do double duty as the Bat Signal is actually a HINDERANCE to you inside buildings. For a general purpose tactical light, I’d say the maximum you want to go is about 80 lumens. Much more than that and you have problems. If you go much under 60 lumens you’re not going to have enough light to get the job done…as the individual with the “49 cent Wal-Mart special” light found out. =)

We finished up the night with muzzle-flash demonstrations, debunking of light as a “weapon” and proper uses of the light for location and identification.

The muzzle flash demo was enlightening to those who had never seen it before. Most of the target ammo used by most folks produced some fairly nasty muzzle flash. The Blazer Brass 9mm ammo I was using was pretty bad, making it difficult for me to see the target after I pulled the trigger. This slowed me down and hurt my accuracy. Various defensive ammo was also shot for comparison. Winchester’s “Ranger” loadings and Speer’s Gold-Dot loadings produced the least objectionable muzzle-flash.

Again, Golden Saber’s 230 grain hollowpoint in .45 ACP was absolutely horrid, flashbulbing the entire line. Here again the point was made that the majority of people who pick ammo do so giving absolutely no thought to how the ammo performs in the dark. While the muzzle flash of a round isn’t THE most important factor in evaluating its performance, it is ABSOLUTELY A CRITICAL PART OF AMMUNITION PERFORMANCE THAT SHOULD NOT BE OVERLOOKED. Statistics show that most fights happen at night…and having ammo that renders you blind at night when you use it is not a good idea.

To debunk the notion of handheld tactical lights “blinding” someone and rendering them unable to hurt you, Mr. Hackathorn set a light up to blaze right in Greg Bell’s eyes and had Greg fire 5 rounds at the target…and wouldn’t you know it? All 5 were kill shots.

Gear observations from the instructors:

  • Aimpoints are THE red dot optic of choice. Period.

  • Magnifiers suck.

  • 2 MOA vs. 4 MOA isn’t really something people need to worry about. LAV pointed out that he used 4 MOA dots with great success and accuracy for a very long time, and that when you have a 2 MOA dot dialed up bright enough to see in bright daylight, it’s pretty much a 4 MOA dot at that point anyway.

  • The M&P is the “pistol of the future”…IF “S&W doesn’t $!@#% it up.”

  • The Surefire 6P and similar lights are pretty much the best combat lights going.

  • If you use the push-pull technique with some of the really small Surefire lights, be darned careful that you don’t end up pulling the back end of the light against the trigger of your weapon. It’s happened before.

  • Light placement on the carbine is a continually evolving process. Everybody is always looking for a better mousetrap.

  • Crimson Trace lasergrips are the heat.

  • Stick to Glocks in 9mm

  • Full-auto has real issues in LE and military use when doing CQB type stuff. To paraphrase Mr. Vickers, the nice 2 and 3 round bursts you do on the range turn into 9 or 10 round bursts under stress, which is why his former unit did the vast majority of their shooting on semi-auto. Mr. Hackathorn related an incident where an officer thought he fired 5 or 6 rounds in a fight using full auto, only to find out later that he fired EIGHTEEN rounds.

  • You won’t be able to count your rounds in a gunfight. It’s also a bad idea to make a definitive statement about how many rounds you fired in a gunfight. If you are going to hazard a guess, make damned sure you use terms like “to the best of my recollection I fired maybe x or y rounds, but I really don’t remember to be honest”, etc.

  • If you want a reliable AR carbine out of the box that will give long life and excellent service, stick to Colt’s 6920.

  • If water gets on a CT grip diode it can block the beam or make it less visible. Be aware of that and have a backup plan.

  • If you don’t have night sights on your handgun or a red dot on your carbine, you are f**king yourself as far as low light capability goes.

  • Merely having night sights and a red dot optic or a laser on your weapon does NOT mean you are prepared for night fighting. Having that stuff and not training with it is just as much f**king yourself as not having the proper tools. Tools are not a substitute for training.

My personal observations:

  • If you haven’t tried out CT laser grips, DO IT. NOW. Until you’ve used them you just can’t appreciate how unbelievably awesome they are and how big an aid in accuracy they can be. For instance:

I brought my CT grip equipped S&W 442 to the range with me and some ammo to shoot it with. In pitch black conditions with practically no moonlight left (the moon moved behind the horizon at the very end of class) I was using my 442 to accurately put rounds on the center of steel targets I could BARELY SEE from 20 yards.

I was MORE accurate with my 442 than I was with my non-CT equipped M&P. It was unbelievable…and it wasn’t just me. I handed my 442 to other shooters and they were using this tiny, nasty recoiling revolver with useless sights and a heavy DA trigger pull ACCURATELY in the pitch friggin’ darkness. It’s un-friggin’-believable the kind of performance enhancement the CT grips are for a J frame. You simply can’t appreciate how awesome they are until you’ve used them.

Part of the accuracy enhancement they provide is instant feedback on how you are pulling the trigger.

  • There is IMMENSE REPEAT VALUE in the low light level 1 course.

  • Here and now I’d like to encourage Mr. Vickers and/or Mr. Hackathorn to come up with a course that focuses intensely on topics like defensive room clearing. That is a course EVERY defense minded individual can use and the practice is SORELY needed by most of us. I believe low light level II is more along those lines, but I’m not entirely sure. In any case, it’s a compicated enough topic that I think there’s plenty of room for a course dedicated solely to it.

I wish I could type more but Ken is going to be here to pick us up in 45 minutes, and I have to get ready. I’ll report more later.

Very nice AAR; lots of nuggets in there. Please keep 'em coming.

Excellent AAR. I look forward to the LLII class in November!

S/F

Thanks, for a nice AAR.

Could you elaborate on this a little bit more? I’m interested in knowing what problems you or others ran into with magnifiers.

Thanks.

Solid AAR. Using the same ranges as last year?

Last years Low Light was one of the best trainings I ever attended. Wish I were able to make it this year, reading your AAR will have to do.

Thanks, and enjoy the rest of the class.

Great AAR, thanks for the info.

Outstanding Tim.

Good stuff!

Thanks for the AAR… this is definately going out on email to my friends and training partners.

Tim.

Good write-up!

Thanks for the AAR.

  • Magnifiers suck.

Could you share his reasoning on this?

Well, my advice is to enjoy the hell out of low light II because Mr. Vickers and Mr. Hackathorn announced to our class today that LLII is the last low light course…Not just of 2008…EVER.

They didn’t engrave it in stone or anything, but they seemed pretty firm on it.

I sincerely hope they change their position on this because this training is something that you just can’t get anywhere else. Training for low light in the day is useful, but there are some things you simply have to experience in the dark to really appreciate and understand.

Day 2 –

Apparently May is monsoon season in Ohio. It rained all day on day 2…and for a period of about an hour or so it absolutely poured. Every piece of equipment was soaked and everybody was wet. Rain gear helped, but the heavy rain eventually soaked everything whether it was under rain gear or not.

Obviously the 40 degree temperatures and the cold rain was the result of global warming.

The day started doing malfunction drills as instructed by LAV. The first drill was the tap-pull-rack-bang drill, and the second was the “prom night” clearance drill. Here I encountered a problem that partially explains why I am attempting to write up a detailed AAR of this course. For some reason I completely blanked on the proper sequence of this drill. The proper sequence is:

  1. Lock the bolt to the rear. (On an AK you have to manually hold the bolt to the rear.)
  2. RIP the magazine out of the mag well.
  3. Insert the middle two fingers into the mag well and make sure there’s nothing stuck up in there. If there is, try to use your fingers to dislodge it.
  4. Release the bolt to allow it to go forward into battery.
  5. Insert a FRESH magazine into the weapon
  6. Cycle the bolt
  7. Fire

We ran through this drill several times, resulting in magazines being dropped to the ground over and over…not usually an issue, but the training range in Clarington was thick, nasty mud. When you dropped a magazine it ended up being covered in mud and grass…meaning just about everybody’s carbine ate a bunch of mud. Everybody’s weapon seemed to handle it pretty well. The one exception was a weapon that suffered a rather odd failure…the roll pin that holds the latch on the charging handle backed out somehow and started digging into the upper receiver, locking the thing up tight. As a side note, it’s damned difficult to mortar a weapon in thick mud.

Once all that was sorted out, we did shooting on the move with the carbine and did live fire on what I nicknamed the “Click-Kick-Bang” drill, transitioning to the handgun while using the white light on the carbine. This was also done on the move.

Next we moved on to the offensive clearing part of the training, which was all done with handguns, an SMG, or a pistol caliber carbine. The important basics of offensive clearing were covered beginning with the utility and importance of position “Sul”, which is an easy way to move in and among people (either innocents or other teammates) without sweeping them with the muzzle of the hot weapon in your hand.

The responsibilities of the lead man and the 2nd man in the room were covered extensively, and the importance of clearing the corners of the room FIRST was heavily emphasized. The importance of getting to the “point of domination” was also stressed. Before actually entering the shoothouse trial runs were done with 2 man teams in a mocked up room layout using pepper poppers.

We then broke for a nice dinner provided to us by the gracious folks who owned the facility. The T-bone steaks were very good, and the lady of the house made sure everybody had plenty of everything…quite kind of her considering what a muddy, wet, motley looking crew we were at that point.

Ben W. and I teamed up and ran through the mockup, and then ran through the house. The results were more than satisfactory. We moved and communicated well, covered our areas properly, and made good hits on our targets. I borrowed Ken’s 9mm Colt SMG to do our first run through the house, and the SBR was eating my lunch something fierce. I knew that I was supposed to hold high on the target, but for some reason I kept centering the dot on the A zone and making my shots. Ken had a CT setup mounted on the weapon that I should have used instead of the red dot, in retrospect. That being said, all my shots were close to the A zone and on paper…I didn’t add any divots to the block walls of the shoothouse. All my shooting was done in semi-auto.

Up on the catwalk watching other 2 man teams go through was also enlightening. The most common errors I saw was failure to clear corners, failure to get to respective points of domination, and of course, lots and lots of appearances by El Snatcho…all mainly a result of folks moving too fast. Proper follow-through was also an issue. Folks weren’t properly painting their zones to make sure all is clear. In the known environment of the shoothouse it’s not as big a deal, but it can be a real bad scene if you don’t scan the whole room after you’ve made entry in the real world.

Several innocents/hostages were killed…and “sympathetic fire” happened on more than one occasion, leading one of the AI’s to tell a 2 man team: “You know what your team name is now, right? Co-defendants.” In the interest of full disclosure I should point out that yours truly went for a ride on the short bus on a knife-wielding target. I buzzed five or six rounds off on him but didn’t make a single kill shot…which was mainly a result of not paying proper attention to trigger control. Thankfully I managed to get off the short bus on all the other targets.

Here the phenomenon of shooting the weapon showed up big time just as it did during defensive clearing. People tended to focus intensely on the weapon in the hands of threat targets, causing them to launch bullets at the weapon…a fairly common event in the real world. Generally I was pretty good at sticking to center mass but on a couple of occasions I noticed that I ended up putting one round on the weapon before apparently correcting my focus and shooting for the A zone of the target.

After a couple of runs through with 2 man teams, we then moved on to 4 man teams comprised of two of the previously selected 2 man teams. Ben W., Grant, Blue and I teamed up and made a couple of runs through the house. Again, the results were decent. My main issue was suddenly wanting to penetrate too deeply into the room after making entry…abandoning the “strong wall”, which isn’t a good idea for a number of reasons.

We then moved on to 6 man teams, and then 12 man teams…and there was much short-bussing in the following directions and accuracy departments…especially in the 12 man runs. After a much deserved verbal smackdown from LAV about our deplorable accuracy as a group, on our last 12 man run we managed to actually get the necessary hits.

The plug was finally pulled at about 1:30 am, and I made it back to the hotel just before 3 am.

Gear observations from the instructors:

  • Weapon mounted lights for handguns are a NECESSITY for offensive clearing purposes.

  • If you use a weapon mounted light, your holster needs to be able to accept the handgun with the light mounted. Some people attempt to use a standard holster and put the weapon light on and off the weapon as needed…this is asking for disaster.

  • CT grips are preferable to Lasermax/other setups because it’s easier to turn the CT grips on and off in a dynamic manner. This is EXTREMELY important because lasers are a TARGET INDICATOR if used improperly.

  • CT lasergrip batteries last a very long time.

  • All-in-one laser/light units have some advantages and disadvantages…but the list given of disadvantages was a lot longer than the list of advantages.

  • Thigh-mounted “tactical” or “assault rig” holsters don’t just exist because they look “cool”, as anyone who has tried to use a standard belt mounted holster with body armor will tell you.

  • If you are in the market to purchase a handgun, get one with a rail on it so you can mount a light.

  • The exception to the above is Glocks in calibers other than 9mm. The .40 caliber Glocks especially have had LOTS of issues with a light mounted to them.

  • Again, stick to Glocks in 9mm.

  • 3 green dot night sights are the most common configuration out there…and also probably the least desirable configuration possible.

My personal observations:

  • The vast majority of my shooting in the shoothouse (with the exception of the aforementioned knife-wielding target) was A zone all the way, generally shot while moving and when using a handheld light. That isn’t a testament to my ability as a shooter, but is rather a reflection of how easy my M&P 9mm is to shoot well. It is almost as forgiving as my 1911…and that’s a BIG DEAL, folks.

Trigger control is the indispensable bedrock fundamental of accuracy that you can’t live without. Your stance can suck, your grip can suck, and your sight alignment can suck, but if you make a good trigger pull with the weapon indexed on the target odds are that you are going to make a pretty decent hit. On the other hand, if you have a perfect grip, stance, and sight picture but gank the trigger pull you aren’t going to hit sh*t.

…and yet, you don’t hear a lot of people talk about the importance of a good trigger on a fighting handgun. Because trigger control is THE most important part of putting a bullet where it needs to go under stress, it becomes eminently sensible to concern yourself with trying to find a weapon that works with you as much as possible in the trigger control department. This is not to say that relying on a 2 pound trigger to make up for a lack of exercising proper trigger control is acceptable, but neither is the tendency of some in the gun culture to ignore trigger characteristics on fighting handguns because they aren’t meant for competition shooting.

Accuracy in the defensive use of firearms is EXPONENTIALLY more important than in an IPSC match. Misses in IPSC cost you points, whereas misses in the defensive use of a firearm can cost you life, limb, and massive damage judgments in civil court. As Mr. Hackathorn said repeatedly, every bullet fired in America has a lawyer attached to it.

Did they say why that would be their last class?

I dont know if it has changed; but last time I spoke with Larry (and he may chime in about this) the logistics of the class are on the Herculian scale. I think it takes a lot to get the ranges cooridnated and approval from the surrounding residents for the late night training.

Day 3 –

The trip to the range on day 3 was an adventure. Have you ever seen those sprint car races they do on mud tracks? That’s pretty much what the road in was like…and of course, it was still raining…although thankfully it was very light and not even noticeable after the deluge we endured the previous day. Nobody was making jokes about looking for the ark today like they were on TD2.

We began the day going over hand held light drills with the pistol. After a couple of drills with that Mr. Hackathorn gave us the rundown on point shooting. Mr. Hackathorn’s version of “point shooting” involves indexing the weapon at eye level and USING PROPER TRIGGER CONTROL to fire a shot while your focus is on the target. Here again it must be stressed that there’s no magic technique or piece of equipment that can make up for poor trigger control. Sights or no sights, laser or no laser, light or no light, if you don’t exercise proper trigger control you aren’t going to hit sh*t.

We then ran basic point shooting drills including the LETS drill which incorporates movement with point shooting. Shooters found that if they exercised proper trigger control they could make good shots even while on the move with their sights taped up. If they didn’t manipulate the trigger properly they ended up killing the berm instead of the steel.

We then moved on to some carbine drills like the carbine el presidente drill…which I won. I managed to win 2 drills, leaving me with some lovely parting gifts. The accuracy on some of the drills was ugly, and I think a large part of the reason was that a bunch of us weren’t holding the carbine properly. The 5.56 doesn’t have much recoil, but that doesn’t mean you can let the weapon float out there without exerting much control over it when you shoot. You have to aggressively pull the weapon into your shoulder using both hands if you want to make multiple shots and/or shoot on the move with the weapon.

The drills I won I was pulling the weapon back into my shoulder HARD…and the dot barely moved. The drills I lost? I was using a very relaxed hold on the weapon.

Raven Concealment showed up and took orders. They came prepared to make custom orders on the spot, but unfortunately they were missing a critical part that allowed them to manufacture on site, so they had to stick to taking orders.

Class was finished a little after 3 pm.

Yup. Same ones.

That was certainly mentioned as a reason when this was discussed. The facilities we used were nestled into areas where people live…and having us blasting away with our weapons until 1 or 1:30 am can be a bit of an annoyance to neighbors. Liability was also mentioned, albeit briefly as a response to a question about it from a student.

I’m sure at some point Mr. Vickers will post more info about it either in this thread or another one, so before I end up spreading potentially inaccurate information I encourage everyone to await his input.

One thing I will say for sure is that finding a facility where you can run low light intensive training is incredibly difficult. There aren’t many shoothouses in the world and of that number there are very few that are open to civilians and of THAT number there are even fewer which will tolerate low light training of the likes seen in this course. That’s certainly a factor in this…and we may be wearing out our welcome at the facilities in Ohio where we’ve done this training.