Vickers and Daniel Defense finished?

Wonder if the average price increase of $200 per rifle is due to DD paying Pincus to jump haybails? I’m sure it is not due to the current obama gun grab hype. :rolleyes:

I’ve been very impressed with LAV. He really knows his shit, and Pincus is about a Cheeseburger short of a happy meal.

Nope, he’d just run those fuckers over…which would be just as effective.

Maybe in the next DD video, Pincus can throw a student’s gun across the range.

The weapon industry tends to rotate pretty quickly, a couple years is pretty typical before one side or the other is hankering for something different. Par for the course.

Hmm, Costa gone Zombie, and DD gone this? Is this a trend?

Have to appeal to the masses. Most new shooters are into the ninja zombie crap.

I wasn’t calling you out. I just haven’t been following the industry latley. I figured I missed something everyone knew.

To say DD is making a marketing mistake is an understatement. This new ninja-zombie hunter craze garbage and those capitalizing on it (Pincus) are discrediting the firearms training community. True PROFESSIONALS like Mr. Vickers have worked long and hard building extensive careers that support their training. These new fangled (is that even a true word?) “training systems”, i.e. Pincus “combat focus” are made up theoretical garbage. I choose to spend my $$ on the real deal (i.e. Mr VIckers, Mr. Hackethorn, Mr. Lamb, Mr. Howe). This direction DD is taking has inspired me to burn my DD t-shirt and steer away from their products. Not that their quality is not what is used to be, but I cannot support a company taking the route they have chosen. All the best to Mr. Vickers as I know in the end, he will come out on top representing another, more responsible company!

Anyone know where I can find Pincus’s training schedule? :dirol:

Before you light the match, did you read the thread I linked too?

This is right from the horses mouth:

Rob Pincus is not an employee of Daniel Defense. We work with a production company on many projects to include promotional videos and commercials. This production company produces many shows for the Outdoor Channel and the Sportsmans Channel. Rob is the talent/spokesperson for an 11 Part series which promotes our products.

I think after this miniseries is done we won’t be hearing much about Rob again. I think DD has received enough negative feedback already and realized it was a mistake.


Well shit now I have to put all those DD LPKs and BCGs that I’ve squirreled away on the EE. :jester:

How many people who buy a DD carbine, or any other AR15 are actually going to take a single training class? Never mind from a MIL or LE background instructor, I mean ANY course or formal training class?

So does this mean there will be Pincus signature rifle???: baaaaaaaaa

Comes with FREE jump rope…

ZEEEEEEEOW * Million Dollar Man hover sound…

christ. diggin the skate shoes to.

If DD is going to pull any association with Pincus due to negative feedback, good for them. They should listen to the masses, that is just good business. Whether Pincus is or is not am employee of DD is inconsequantial. They associated him with their brand. A business needs to be very careful to protect their name. At the end of the day, that sells more product than anything else. Right or wrong, that is the way it is. Hopefully they have seen the error in their ways and get back on track. They (DD) make a good product, no one disputes that, but their name has suffered a negative blow to those that choose to not be fooled by “the hype” of haystack jumping ninjas attacking cinderblocks! If I am to be labeled a Vickers “fan boy”, I can live with that, heck, I would be proud to tote that label. I base my purchases on my own experience, research, as well as the recommendations of credible sources.

I try not to get into the whole “instructors” discussions on any forums but being a DD owner I was disappointed that Pincus is now representing them. There are much better representatives that they could have gone with to still get their message across for these videos.

Instead of causing speculation, why not just ask him? He has his own SME section.

I was laughing at first. The whole video reminded me of my childhood and all the armed forces action movies that I loved so much. In this day and age this is kind of sad. I wouldn’t guess that DD needed this kind of spokesperson:confused:. Maybe they have been watching too much Expendables, Commando, or Universal Soldier. Why not get Schwarzenegger ,Willis , or Stallone. If you are going to go strip mall ninja, go all the way!