This should be getting more attention. Jury selection starts today. Of the 400 LEOs on site, only two face any charges. While I have no sympathy for either of them, 2? 2?! It does seem like 2 are being used as fall guys. Not acceptable. Parkland even more so.
I agree, why only two? There was a hallway full of guys standing around listening to kids being murdered and their sorry ass bosses who need prosecuted. Unfortunately, as Parkland showed, a conviction will be hard to come by.
Scapegoats, I’m sure. Still a whole lot of S###bags left out. I can freely burn bridges as no longer in law enforcement. My comment to many people who I know about “work” … I have to be around the worst crooks, criminals, liars, and thieves then I head out on patrol. The worst backstabbing, liars, chicken s###, and more I’ve ever seen and known were when I went from A.D. infantry to law enforcement. 20 years being around people who I could not trust or depend on. Many were even former A.D. in all branches of service too. On more than a few Active S…… training events more than a few have said they wouldn’t go in. On more than a few occasions during them I’ve been shot by even ones in my stack doing the training FYI Simunitions really hurt especially at point blank / very close range. More than few are not really tactical ready for a situation. Mentality and physically ether. Others can not adapt past basic tactics or react. There is many ways to respond, setting up a cordon isn’t it. Yeah it sucks but someone has to go though the door. I think back at the Beslam School incident. The F.D. there are likely still shunned and no respect along with some of the parents too. Though their local law enforcement didn’t have the training (possibly) many of them tried. “Note possibly misspelled name of the city.”
I see a few groups of people who go into law enforcement. Bullies or those who was bullied (I’m goingto get back at the bullies) / egotistical or controlling. One’s who wanted to be there for their community and people. Those who were well this is something I kinda know how to do. I never planned on law enforcement as a career and didn’t want it. Especially as that was a place where when I was a young 11B the units would “kickout” guys who couldn’t make it in infantry… M.P. or cooks.
It is unlikely they will get convicted in the first place and less than a snow ball’s chance in hell it would stick through an appeal.
Few things would knock every wheel off the bus faster than a legally binding duty to protect.
I’m going to assume because they were the two they felt they could get convictions on. Remember, they only charged one person in the Parkland event (the SRO who stood outside the entire time while kids died), someone so guilty of not doing their job it seemed impossible to not get a conviction, and the POS not only acquitted, he was given full benefits. Everyone from that PD, from the chief down, should have paid a heft price for what happened. I say that as the most LE supportive civilian in the room, and I understand why Qualified immunity exists for LE, but there’s also a time when it’s problematic, and events like Parkland and Uvalde are examples when it does not serve the public nor LE.
QI protects le who violate rights and LE have no duty to protect.
I’m not qualified to offer detailed response other than to reiterate I understand why it exists and why under some circumstances, it’s not a benefit to we the public nor LE
It’s never a benefit to the public
One of the few incidents I am aware of where it wasn’t a benefit to leo is
MORALES V. CITY OF GEORGETOWN, KENTUCKY
https://law.justia.com/cases/kentucky/supreme-court/2024/2023-sc-0248-dg.html
where QI benefitted the several le who violated Deputy Morales’s rights.
I can think of several more, along with a few circumstances personally hearing about.
This event was so sickening. There were people trying to get into the school and those retard cops ran security so the shooter could continue killing. Unbelievable.
At least they looked official with their plate carriers and cool ARs. Just don’t ask them to take any actual action to stop a threat.
As brilliant as the “shelter in place” given to the people in the Trade Center. Not sure why in crisis situations, the stupidest of people try to take command.
Because they lack the mental faculties to know their limitations.
Usually their ideas only have negative effects on others including lack of consequences after the fact.
Not to derail this thread but read up on Rick Rescorla. He fought with Hal Moore in the Battle of the Ia Drang (“We Were Soldiers”) and later in life was in charge of security for a large firm in the South Tower during 09/11. He said screw the shelter in place and helped evacuate hundreds of people. He died when he went back in to get more and the tower collapsed. That is a real hero.
The term hero is wildly over used. In his case, it’s dead on.
True story that:
I dunno how the Uvalde jackwagons live with themselves, unless they simply have no souls.
They made it home safe.
Adrian Gonzales was found not guilty.
I first realized that our justice system is dead on October 3 1995, but at this point it should be obvious to everyone that we are not voting our way out of this.
It was expected. I assume based on Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales ruling and others. Chief will walk too.
No duty to protect goes back a long, long ways.
In a practical sense, a cop standing within arms reach wouldn’t guarantee safety.
The part that burns me is politicians and le groups promoting anti 2A legislation frequently end “you don’t need this/that/any gun” and “you don’t need to be armed here/there/anywhere” with “because the police are here to protect you.”