US Soldiers are not going to be handed over to the GIROA to be tried under Shariah law. To believe that is unbelievably stupid. The legitimate Afghan Government doesn’t even acknowledge Shariah law. Something called “Hanafi jurisprudence” is the closest thing to it which is codified in Afghan law, but that does not apply here.
They will, however, be punished under the proper mechanisms, as they should be. Is the Afghan response to Quran burning absolutely fucking ridiculous? Yes. They’re a bunch of crazed lunatics. But it’s not surprising…and therein lies the offense. To burn Qurans is a massive error in judgement, given that those who ordered it surely had to know what would happen if it ever went public. This error is an inexcusable failure with a direct negative impact on mission accomplishment. You would punish a soldier who fell asleep on guard, wouldn’t you? This is no different. You might not like the doctrine of cultural sensitivity…I know I don’t. But when you take an oath to obey the orders of the officers appointed over you, you follow their directives. There is no excuse for doing something this stupid.
I’m not sure why I’m even wasting my time, but the way you stated that the “CoC” wouldn’t let someone pass judgement on one of our troops just rubbed me the wrong way.
Its happened before, not talking about a foreign gov here, but the current administration has absolutely left many hanging out to dry. Think Matthew McCabe and his Team…no, he didn’t get indicted, but I guess punching a terrorist should be grounds for going through that whole bullshit trial right? :rolleyes:
Wasn’t Rep. Allen West’s career cut short, because he was more concerned about the safety of his men, than playing ‘paddy cake’ with some dirtball Mohammedan in his custody?
Someone needs to get what is left of the Korans and show how they were written in by the prisoners. When they mobs call for their blood as much as the US guys who burned them, that’s when I’ll believe their craziness isn’t just anti-US sentiment.
While I accept the inherent logic of your reply, at the end of the day we are going to punish US soldiers for burning a fucking book in order to placate a people who hate us anyway. And that just isn’t gonna ever be acceptable to me.
That they’re in a position of being misused by our “leaders”, to the point that they’re even in a position to burn the books or be judged regarding that act, is in fact, not okay.
As someone who happens to be on the ground and affected by some of the events that transpired, let me say this.
NATO/U.S Forces screwed up when they did not immediately explain that the Korans were burned as they were being used by detainees to send messages back and forth.
Once those Korans were discovered to have been desecrated by the same animals who would then point fingers at us, it should have been documented and photographed. One would assume that intelligence people would have done so in the even that there was something of importance in them. Then we need to immediately use the media to show and explain exactly why it was done. Although ultimately it wouldn’t have mattered considering the population is over 70% illiterate.
According to our LN’s the Koran can in fact be burned if it is damaged or tattered, but it has to be done with some respect. It also needs to be completely burned, not just bits and pieces. So here is where we went wrong and someone should have used their brain to make sure things were being done properly.
Why are we still here? The mission has been accomplished- Al-Qaeda has been disrupted, OBL is dead, the Taliban are gone (for the most part although they are now slowly creeping in) and we have no business trying to rebuild this country. It was fucked before we got here and it will continue to be after we leave. We are wasting lives and money needlessly and the American people need to tell the politicians to bring us out now.
The section that I highlighted is where we lost a very good opportunity to place the Taliban in a very bad situation. We may have been able to turn the riots around on the Tailban.
What I don’t understand about the whole thing is why anybody knows about it. What happened to discretion and doing something in secret? Did they invite the town to watch?
I don’t know why that should surprise you…everytime the SEALs do something big, the media gets a full report it seems like…opsec and discression doesn’t seem to mean anything anymore :rolleyes:
Agreed, whole heartedly. I’m in Bagram where the burnings took place. We had protest outside of ECP1, the local workers got thrown off base, no water for a few days and got a few IDF impacts the first night, but nothing really serious. Most of the serious shit happened at other facilities. The Qurans should have been turned over to a local religious leader(s) for proper disposal or kept in a secured storage area until they could do so. As usual in cases like these, in the eyes of Islamic world opinion, which includes liberals the world over, someone has to be made the “Goat”. This is another leadership failure yet again.
Interesting note or side bar is that greater than 70 percent of the people in AFG is illiterate. Besides the passages memorized in the Quran, most couldn’t really read or interpret whats in it, or a local news paper for that matter.
Although it’s wrong, why would our soldiers being sacraficed over this bullshit surprise anybody here, happens all the time and has happened historically.
We as a nation have clearly lost our focus and floundered hopelessly in Astan.
Guess well have to consault the Media to see what our nations next move should be.
I think I am going to take my Bible, Qur’an, and Torah out to the range. I am going to line them up and shoot through all three of them at once. I wonder which group will be the most outraged. :shout:
We were attacked as well in Kabul by several hundred pissed off LN’s. Right down the street at the MOI two American officers are murdered and today apparently two more Americans were killed.
If I were an American in Afghanistan right now, I wouldn’t do a damned thing I didn’t have to. I’d spend all my time keeping my head down and staying alive till I was returned stateside.
There is absolutely nothing worthwhile we can do there between now and when we bring everyone home. Every American death at this point is a needless one.
