I’m of two minds on the death penalty (pro penalty, but .gov is too inept, corrupt and arrogant to administer it judicially), but the reason so many of these executions are “botched” is because anti death penalty advocates have queered every effective drug cocktail the states could use.
First they lawfared against every effective cocktail. Then they doxxed the manufacturers until they stopped providing them to the states. Now they coach these murderers on how to make themselves tough to kill, with tactics like dehydrating themselves to the point the execution teams can’t stick a vein because they’re all collapsed.
If the state manages to succeed in carrying out the sentence, they come out of the viewing and make sure everyone knows how gruesome the event was. The anti death penalty advocates want the successful executions to be as horrific and unpalatable as possible, in their war to end the death penalty.
We can have a discussion on whether the death penalty is just. We can have a discussion on whether states execute innocent people. But I refuse to have any discussion on whether the death penalty is “cruel and unusual punishment”. It’s only cruel and unusual because the pro murderers have made it that way.
If we had a trustworthy justice system the maximum prison sentence should be 20 years. Beyond that CP. And if we’re going to have CP it should be public. In addition to justice it would serve as a deterrent.
That being said I don’t trust the judicial system with justice at all.
We use to hang people very soon after being found guilty of the crimes of murder, rape, armed robbery, stealing horses or cattle, arson, cheating at cards.
Now days someone can murder 10 women and not even get the death penalty.
Try to get a law on the books that any falsification of evidence or failing to divulge exculpatory evidence resulting in a death penalty conviction nets the perp(s) a death penalty and see how much of a wail comes out of sectors that are currently staunch supporters.
Like the POS cops who ended up having the Illinois death penalty revoked? Yeah, they should’ve paid the price I agree 100%. Too bad they didn’t…
I support the death penalty if you are damn sure it’s the right person. That in and of itself is a major hurdle to overcome. That said, in cases where there is no doubt then f*****g kill the bastards. No mercy. I also don’t give a damn if they suffer. TFB.
Someone mentioned that it should be “especially heinous”. Shooting a Quickie Mart clerk in the head after robbing the place to me qualifies. It doesn’t have to be raping and killing an infant or other such sordid acts.
Insanity? F**k that. If you are indeed so cray-cray that you cold-bloodedly murder someone then you forfeit your right to breath air. To me there is NO insanity defense (mitigating factors not withstanding, like a father who molested his kid and the kid later snuffs him…I can be reasonable).
There are a shit-ton of convicted murderers who should have been dead a LONG time ago.
I don’t recall any convictions resulting in the death penalty that were portrayed as anything other than truly no doubt including the ones that were later exonerated.
Give you an example: let’s say they actually catch this POS who brutally killed those 4 Idaho students, and there is solid evidence linking him to the crime. Once tried and convicted, maybe one appeal, then (family’s choice) he gets either gutted or shot in the forehead, not from behind (so he can SEE it coming). I don’t give a damn if mommy didn’t love him enough, if daddy stuck his finger up his ass, chicks rejected him as repulsive, whatever. You DIE.
It’s only a botched execution if the convict doesn’t die. Hung by the neck until dead does not prescribe a time limit for death to occur and I don’t have a problem with it taking an hour or so.
I live in a small Texas town.
150 years ago this was the Chislom trail. Small quiet town, just beautiful little place, but they had a reputation with the Cowboys.
Aparently long ago a Deputy stepped in to a Saloon that was accross from the Courthouse and was immeadiatly shot (and for no apparent reason) by a Cowboy. Someone ran to get the Sherriff in the Courthouse and by the time he made it the 200 yards to the Saloon that Cowboy had already been hung.
That’s Justice, he didn’t get any appeals or an Attorney, everyone in the Bar saw it happen, so they got a lariat and hung him on the spot. A lariat isn’t like a hangmans noose, your going to be there a minute and choke to death most likely.
After that for 130 years you couldn’t buy a drop of booze in this town, he deserved to be hung just for that alone.
I agree, but the inherent problem is the flawed system.
Probably no better example than the Duke LaCrosse case where DA Mike Nifong KNOWINGLY suppressed DNA evidence that would have (and eventually did) exonerated the defendants. If not for some random lab worker who risked their government job and blew the whistle, the system probably would have found every single one of them guilty and destroyed their lives and futures.
For his attempt at destroying their lives, Nifong was disbarred and and sentenced to ONE DAY in jail for contempt of court. He was held alone in a cell for his protection. Nifong’s motive was to win support for his reelection bid; the suit alleges that Nifong told his campaign manager that the case would provide “‘millions of dollars’ in free advertising.”
So long as lawyers aren’t held accountable for “knowingly” prosecuting innocent people and “knowingly” suppressing evidence of guilt, we will have a flawed system.
Yeah, I get it. Nifong should’ve served a sentence equal to that for rape like those guys would have been sentenced to. Same with those cops in Illinois I mentioned earlier who, through their criminal behavior, wrongly sent people to death row and now the state has abolished the death penalty altogether.
It is indeed a tricky road to travel. Obvious guilt should get the needle without hesitation, like that little freak POS Cruz in Florida who isn’t going to get what he deserves. There was no doubt about who perpetrated the crime. The Idaho killer is going to be (hopefully) caught but it is going to be a built-up or constructed case as no one saw it happen and no security cameras like in a murder of a convenience store clerk. I have mixed feelings about that, as there can be a sliver of doubt. DNA evidence? Kinda hesitant to send someone to the gallows for that alone.
I dunno. You can’t replace a life if you wrongly take it, but damn there are some so truly deserving of death that it’s hard to totally rule out that option altogether.
Very much so because the scientific community claim of getting to the facts/truth has never quite lived up to advertised claims and that issue is well represented in the criminal justice scientific sub group.
One of the first examples of that problem making news I can recall, although(based on my memory) I don’t think this article gets the details of how this was exposed correctly.
In lieu of the death penalty I propose that family members of the victim get 5 minutes each with a ball peen hammer and the convicted murderer. How/if they decide to administer punishment is up to them.
I’m with the fentanyl crowd and the executioner should be a hard core fentanyl user so that they both go out without a care in the world. My second option would be a bullet to the back of the head performed by a robot with a 3-D printed pistol so that no firearms manufacturer gets raked over the coals for providing the means of execution. Just a thought.
I spent the night in a remote field hospital one night, due to the extream pain they gave me Morphine.
If I had to die, that’s exactly how I want to go out a large morphine drip and slowly slide out the door.
It’s as comfortable is falling asleep in a feather bed covered in quilts.
Which is a lot more than most of these guys deserve.
I’m perfectly fine bringing back the old and making it new…
No reason the guillotine couldn’t be just as efficient today as it was in the 18th century. And with improvements in metallurgy, probably more so.
Fast, efficient and inexpensive. No need to have to wait on chemicals that may or may not do the job nor using electricity that comes from questionable fossil fuels.