look at me i can’ts pell or use grammer correctly but my opinion is fact and grater then urs rofl!!11eleven!!1 y do u train and practice with ur weapon? ppl that train with weapons r stoopid cause cause cause…
What tools. I say paper punchers are just as bad as fudds. I don’t see any harm in training with a weapon you own. You just know how to use the tool properly and more efficiently. If that means you live at the end of the day (and have fun training for it) then I see no harm. Sure you got your rambos but most people that take classes can’t be classified like that.
Stay safe.
ETA: Whoops, meant to be a reply. I can’t believe I just noobed myself.
Can you please explain further to me why it is a waste of time and money to take classes and train with a weapon? Especially seeing as how you have “been around long enough to know if I need it or not…” I am especially interested in how one becomes proficient in regards to weapons skills, handling, manipulation, accuracy, speed, and proper tactics without training and taking classes. I am all about saving money, so I look forward to hearing your methods.
People seem to think they know a lot more than they do. In the immortal wisdom of Socrates “I know what I don’t know.”
It only costs $400 plus ammo to train for two days with an ex-Delta operator. I liked it better when the Army paid for it, but that is still a hell of a bargain.
Why would anyone complain about what somebody does with their own money on their own time?
Because some people think that because they have been driving a car for 50 years, that they can step into the NASCAR or Formula circuit and run with the big dogs. Afterall, they know how to drive.
They are also the kind who toss the spare tire out of the back of their car. Afterall, they have driven for YEARS and never had a single flat tire.
People who train have been stereotyped so bad in the past, as Rambo’s, Tacticool, Armchair commando’s, and all kinds of other 4th grade names, that now often decent people who would really benefit, and probably enjoy, good training, wont do it because they are afraid they will be made fun of and called a poser, etc. They have to stay cool in front of their non training buddies. They dont want to acknowledge that the world is really and truly a dangerous place, and that one day, the time may actually come that they, God forbid, actually do have to fight someone or something.
Honor is gone from a large part of the American population.
Morals are gone.
Doing the right thing, simply because its the right thing, is taboo.
Self centeredness prevails. People now want to look out only for themselves and maybe their immediate family, and the hell with everyeone else. Society has found a way to justify almost anything, action or lack of it, to suit whatever purpose at any given time.
The entitlement mindset prevails now.
I could go on, but those who already know this, already know it, those who dont know it, dont want to hear it.
Mindset is everything. A sheep with a gun, is still a sheep.
Way back when I decided I was going to go play golf. I’d never touched a club before and an avid golfer told me to take some lessons from a professional before I even swung a club. He said that that would prevent me from developing any bad habits. I took a series of lessons from a Golf Pro and progressed faster and played better than some buddies that had been playing for several years. I’m not god’s gift to golf, and it happened that way for one reason only. I learned the correct way to do things from the beginning. (After that short experience, I figured out I hated Golf and would rather be shooting)
Shooting, OTOH, tends to be an individual sport. Even if you’ve been shooting for years, most people do it by themselves with no one to observe bad habits. Even if you’ve learned the correct way to do things, sometimes you pick up bad habits on the privacy of the range.
Taking professional instruction will correct your bad habits, and sometimes we all need a refresher. Professional instruction doesn’t necessarily even have to take place in a formal course setting. If you shoot a match and have experienced shooters observe what your doing, sometimes you can pick up pointers or correction for a bad habit. Even having another buddy who’s had training observe your shooting can correct problems.
Secondly, even though you’re shooting 72 bajillion rounds per year by yourself doesn’t necessarily mean your accomplishing anything at all, especially on a range by yourself. If you head out to the range with a truckload of ammo and blaze away without a goal or purpose in mind, all you may be doing is developing and reinforcing bad habits. All shooting beyond a natural fatigue point does is develop bad habits. Professional instruction teaches you drills or courses of fire to run at a range. Heading to the range with goals in mind minimizes ammo expenditure and develops and reinforces skills, instead of damaging them.
My whole point is even though we’re macho men who were born knowing how to shoot and learned everything else we ever needed to know watching John Wayne movies, you can’t necessarily see what you’re doing yourself…
The only reason I can think of that anyone would complain about someone who has the means and desire to learn how to do things correctly from a professional is someone who is unwilling to admit that they don’t know what they are doing, or is jealous of others abilities to be able to afford both the time and money to attend a course.
I just happened to read the thread posted by the original poster and thought the Tactical Teddy column kind of fitted in where he was going…of course, I don’t believe all the stuff written in the column in the first place…first of all, I stated on GT that if you think you need the training fine and dandy, go to it…
Some people in the inner cities have never even fired a rifle, shotgun, or pistol and of course they need someone to instruct them on what to do with the weapon…But, some people grow up with the same weapons and have shot, hunted, and grow up shooting and really don’t need that much training since most of us have also been in the service…
I personally have been shooting since 1946 and hunt with rifle, shotgun, and also belonged to Handgun Hunter International for 10 years. I don’t think I need training and for someone to keep insisting that I do, frankly pisses me off since I obviously have been shooting firearms before one particular person was even born and am fairly good with all 3 types including bow and arrow and also crossbows…
As stated, if you think you need the training, be my guest but don’t sit there and insist that everyone thinks the same way you do, everyone has their own idea on how to protect themselves and their families. Your type of training just might not agree with theirs but that doesn’t mean you or they are wrong, it is just a difference of opinion…
I was talking to someone about guns. The discussion went to a “what if insert hypothetical crappy situation here” scenario that so many people seem to enjoy, and I mentioned that I wouldn’t have a problem giving guns out to my friends or neighbors, especially if we ended up in a situation that required this type of action.
The responce I got back was, “Why the Hell would you want to give your guns and ammo away?”
The act of firing a weapon is only part of the equation. That’s what you don’t seem to be getting. I have yet to find someone who can’t fire a gun with minimal instruction, and if they keep after it they’ll get better with practice.
That does not mean they can manipulate the firearm under stress or make good hits while under stress Nor does it mean they have the mindset to win in a gunfight.
Also the great thing about training is you can ask the trainers about what they think will and won’t work. How many gunfights have you been in? Me, I’ve been shot at but haven’t returned fire. However, I get the perspective of people like Pat Rogers and Larry Vickers who have been there done that. Based on their experiences they teach what they believe needs to be stressed in order to prevail.
Anyone can play poker, but if you had the chance to ask Howard Lederer or Annie Duke or Amarillo Slim what they did to win, you’d be a fool not to ask.
