Undergassed?

Before I start, I purchased the rifle in question long before I undertood the differences between makers. So any responses to this effect is unecessary. This carbine has been relegated to a loaner rifle and will not ever be used for SHTF or formal training.

Many years ago I purchased a mid-length carbine for a song. As it turns out there is a reason for the low price. It’s a 14.5" CMMG with a permanenetly attached “long” Flash Hider on a Bushmaster Lower.

It short strokes when I shoot anything but “hot” ammo (ie: 5.56 pressure rounds). I’ve already checked the Gas Key and replaced the Gas Rings. I don’t see any leaks around the pinned Gas Block.

What happens is even with crappy 55-grain Wolf WPA it cycles fine but will not lock back on the lasst round. I’ve tried different magazines with the same results. Like I said, hotter rounds do fine. I have also tried dfferent BCGs, buffer weights (upt to H3) and a new spring.

I was thinking of replacing the Gas Tube next. Any other suggestions? Thanks in advanced.

Changing the gas tube will likely do little to change things unless there’s a problem with the existing tube.

You might have the gas port openned a little… or at least checked to se how big the port is.

  1. Make sure that the FSB is straight and not blocking the port.

  2. CMMG is known to be overgassed. So this is not the norm.

  3. Worst case scenerio is I would pull the gas block and measure the port. I believe it should be around .063 or so.

Is the gas block pinned or clamped to the bbl? The reason I ask is that I recently picked up a used AR with similar issues. Turns out that it had sustained an impact to the clamped front sight/gas block, causing a slight misalignment. No evidence of gas leakage around the block/bbl interface.

Removed the gas block & cleaned everything thoroughly. Reinstalled, using a bubble level to make sure gas block was level with upper receiver. It now runs with everything I put through it.

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My brother had problems with an AR like this before. He changed the buffer to something lighter, sorry can’t remember the weight or brand. It fixed his problem and is cheaper than most fixes.

^Isn’t that the number for a 14.5 CAR?

OP has a 14.5 MID.

My guess is gas port blocked by FSB or burr or simply too small.

Also verify the bolt face retracts to a position ~.250" behind the bolt catch, to rule out any weird out of spec parts.

You’re probably right. I want to say maybe .068 or so. Off the top of my head I am not sure.

I nevr thought of a misaligned Gas Block. I’ll have to take a closer look. Thanks all!!

Let us know what you discover. I know I’ve learned a lot in diagnosing my carbine’s issues.

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Still too small.

Both of my BCM midlength uppers have .065" ports.
They are both of the 16" flavor.

So a 14.5 would need to be in the 7 hole at least.

For the shorter dwell time, yes.

Is there some sort of ratio that manufacturers go off to figure port size in relation to dwell time.

Are you the same Carlos from down around Vancouver, WA?

I’ve only run across a gas tube with an undersize bore once in 20 years, lots of other gas tube problems though. Too bad you have the PF, it helps to look up inside the front sight base and make sure the hole in the FSB lines up with the hole in the gas tube and that the hole is clear and the proper size.

Sorry, different Carlos. I used to live in Vancouver, Canada. But that was almost 30-years ago.

I went and checked the numbers and the port size should be around .076.

Agree

Thanks.

I’ve got a 14.5 middy that’s running similar. I pulled the gas tube out of it yesterday and found that the end that goes into the key is about .005" smaller than a used gas tube I had on my bench.

It looks like the existing gas tube never had the bulb end on the tip of the tube where it goes into the key. And there’s a lot of carbon fouling on the 3" of tube forward of the key.

I have a new tube showing up today. So I’ll get to shoot the gun pretty soon. I’m not sure if that .005" is leaking so much gas that it’s causing the light cycling or not… :confused:

Are you able to see any of these characteristics on your gas tube?