So I stumbled about the internet and came across this article on Truth About Guns comparing drop-in AR triggers. I was surprised by some of his conclusions, namely his comparison between any drop-in trigger and a Geissele SD-3G. Are Geissele triggers still the best and if so, why?*
*I own three Geisseles and have always been a fan.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/04/jeremy-s/ar-15-drop-in-trigger-roundup/
i saw this when it came out. its also on youtube. i prefer the LMT and Timney to the Geissele myself. Hell with the rock river 2 stage and some good JP springs it feels just as good if not better than the overpriced G stamp.
When you get some real shooting experience under your belt with that RR trigger, you’ll start to realize G triggers aren’t over-priced
Yeah…you must be new around here…
How many Geissele’s fail compared to RR 2-stage triggers? I am willing to bet that the results make you look pretty foolish.
Take into consideration how finely tuned those drop-ins are, and what is your intended purpose. If you are looking for the cleanest, lightest pull on the market, then no. However, he didn’t test a well broken in NM model, which would be a better comparison IMO. He did say that the 3G is a great trigger, but in comparison, it was rather rough and creepy. Pretty funny if you’ve ever tried one, but I trust the data provided.
Honestly, I read this article back when it came out and I never once considered any of these triggers for hard use. I thought the trigger scan data was very interesting, and I enjoyed seeing the results and the graphs. In the end, those drop-in triggers just don’t appeal to me.
I have a Geissele SD-C flat and prefer my RRA 2 stage. Granted these are designed for slightly different roles but I expected the G unit to feel better and the first stage to not be sooooooo looooong.
Short take up.
Low pull weight.
Safe for more dynamic use than bench shooting.
Pick two.
Oh, and most people need trigger time, not a $300 trigger to shoot better.
So essentially Geissele is the sweet spot for performance, durability, and reliability?
Not necessarily. There are others which meet or exceed your criteria. Some have been included in this thread.
The two stage G triggers, yes. It keeps the long take up of the standard AR semi-auto trigger for safety but instead of having the long creep of the standard trigger, it uses all but the last bit of sear travel for the first stage of a tow stage trigger. Just before the sear break, spring rate is increased to keep the pull from being too light.
The SSA has a heavier break that isn’t quite as crisp as the SSA-E, but it still has an excellent trigger pull. I have both the SSA and the SSA-E. The SSA is a versatile trigger, suitable for both close in fast work and deliberate precision shooting. The SSA-E is a more specialized trigger and is best when used for taking deliberate shots.
Yes.
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My favorite trigger for toys used to be the SD-3G but I recently picked up a KE Arms SLT-1 and like it better. With a coupon code I paid $168 shipped including an ambi safety, significantly less than the Geissele.
Geissele (and other conventional, non drop-in) triggers have to be safe with pin spacing at the extreme ends of milspec tolerance. That means that there’s a little more sear engagement, and therefore a little more pull. In comparison, a drop-in manufacturer can run a tighter tolerance on hole spacing, as they control tolerance. This lets them have shorter pulls.
Rock River is a damn joke
I’ve said this before, bears repeating. Just wait till you get a popped primer stuck in one of those sealed drop-in trigger units, then come back and tell how great it is to have a locked up firearm.
The KE Arms SLT-1 is a significantly different design than a typical trigger. For example, it doesn’t have a conventional disconnector.
As far as I’ve seen, basically all AR triggers are minor variations on the same basic geometry. This isn’t.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjkSqvRcjlk
Not sponsored by them or anything, just a happy customer.
The long sear engagement of the G trigger has nothing to with pin spacing. It’s to prevent the rifle from firing if it’s dropped or subjected to rough handling. That’s the reason the standard AR trigger has a long sear engagement.
The long sear engagement of the G trigger has nothing to with pin spacing. It’s to prevent the rifle from firing if it’s dropped or subjected to rough handling. That’s the reason the standard AR trigger has a long sear engagement.
I’ve had popped primers tie up GI and G triggers, both required taking out the entire FCG to clear it out.
Exactly. You can separate the trigger from the hammer and there is no place you can’t clean out.
How do you separate the trigger and hammer in a drop in?