I went the trust route. And just put my full name on the rifle and did not add the trust part and I was approved. Has any one else done this?
good question
i will be watching for the answers:) 
That’s not how it works-
You sent in the paperwork, were approved and just put your first and last name on the rifle.
You make it sound like the approval was somehow an effect of the markings.
Legally you MUST engrave the NAME, CITY and STATE of the manufacturer which is the trust if you filled out the form to manufacture an SBR from a lower.
What is your trust name? If your trust name is John Smith Trust, you are 40% there. You should have included the Trust part and you MUST include City and State.
If your trust is called John’s NFA Trust then you put your name on there for no reason. “John’s NFA Trust ANYTOWN USA” needs to be added.
This is what I did.
I put my first and last name on the receiver with my town and state.
And I was approved.
Abbreviations are legal too…For example mine reads “xxxrlt,somewhere,tx”
No way Im gonna externally engrave my name on a firearm for any Joe Blow to find out who I am…Especially on a registered item…IMHO thats just screaming “STEAL ME”
No, you are still making it sound like the approval was dependent on the engraving which it is NOT.
What is the name of your trust (format, i.e. John Smith Revocable Living Trust?)
My name is Bobby Silvers. I formed the Bobby Silvers Revocable Living Trust. I engraved my lower “B Silvers RLT, Crackerville IN” and that is acceptable. To engrave my lower “Bobby Silvers” would not be sufficient.
The paperwork that was approved is like a driver’s license. You still have to abide by the speed limits, a requirement of driving legally. That’s how the engraving is- you do that on your own CORRECTLY to stay legal.
What you engrave should be easily an abbreviation or variation of the Trust, LLC, S-Corp name.
You should also include what you have actually have engraved on the line for ‘additional description’ on the Form 1.
I didn’t include anything under additional markings as there were none at the time and wouldn’t be any until the check cleared and I knew it was approved. I don’t need to mark a lower that doesn’t need to be marked.
True,but once approved,it needs to be engraved to show that the trust or corp owns it…If not, and you get caught with it,you’re boned…
Remember,if you use a trust or corp to get NFA goodies,you dont own them,the trust or corp does…You’re just an officer of that entity.Therefore the item needs to be marked to show proper ownership.
Exactly, my point is there was nothing to put on the form under additional markings.
I think the OP needs a wake up call- a good one from us, not a bad one from the feds.
Do you guys happen to know why exactly having a suppressor or SBR illegally can net you a fine of up to 100k or 10 years?
There’s a specific reason- and it’s not “because it is illegal”
Just a little trivia I learned today that is very neat or kinda funny.
Probably because it’s tax evasion. 
I think we need an Rule or something to prove this .
The way I see it if a F1 is oked …then its ok .
Talk to 3 ATF tards and you will get 3 differant answers …
Some people put the numbers they know they will put on them on the application and others leave it blank.Ive done both…
That really has nothing to do with the application being accepted or rejected initally…As stated before,all those extra engravings are for is to show property ownership into some type of legal entity.This protects you as an individual from being charged with possesion of a NFA item…
The original serial # is whats going to be entered into the database and when that number is ran by a LEO if Im not mistaken,will show up as a registered item…
Im gonna go with tax evasion as my answer for the punishment question as well since that what the whole concept behind the NFA was in the first place…
Its approved,but it isnt complete until its marked with manufactures information.The trust or corp is the manufacture,so its info must be marked.
http://keepandbeararms.com/laws/nfa34.htm
The National Firearms Act
Title 26, United States Code
INTERNAL REVENUE CODE
CHAPTER 53 – MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER
§ 5842. Identification of firearms
(a) Identification of firearms other than destructive devices. – Each manufacturer and importer and anyone making a firearm shall identify each firearm, other than a destructive device, manufactured, imported, or made by a serial number which may not be readily removed, obliterated, or altered, the name of the manufacturer, importer, or maker, and such other identification as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe.
(b) Firearms without serial number. – Any person who possesses a firearm, other than a destructive device, which does not bear the serial number and other information required by subsection (a) of this section shall identify the firearm with a serial number assigned by the Secretary and any other information the Secretary may by regulations prescribe.
Thank you very much.
Madsmiley- we don’t need shit like that around here.
It’s a well known fact. It’s been rehashed on many boards. Deal with it.
By the way, welcome.
Yes, it’s as simple as tax evasion. NFA items aren’t illegal by any means. Not paying the correct tax is.
I think threads like this are definitely the type that should be close which I think Paul (right? no, damn I’m emberassed but also over .10 so I don’t feel so bad :eek: ) you should do right now.
Robb!
There’s no point in talking about this. It’s a fact. Not open for discussion or debate. That will only cause confusion.
The engravings don’t show ownership, they show who or what corp/trust manufactured it.
If you buy an already manufactured NFA item on a form 4 you don’t engrave it with corp/trust/personal info because the manufacturer has already done so…
Exactly,
If your SBR is on a Form 1 and the Trust owns and made it then the name of the Trust or an abbreviation of the Trust name should appear on the lower (and on mine I list the name on the line for additional description). There is a debate that unless you’re a licensed SOT/07 and Class II manufacturer that you don’t have to engrave. It might be true, but what if it’s not true? Do you think the engraving will somehow hurt you?
Robb
If the manufacturers name is “The John Smith and Jane Doe Revocable Living Trust” (in Somewhere, VA) Then you can then abbreviate it like:
Smith/Doe Trust
Somewhere, VA
or
Smith/Doe RLT
Somewhere, VA
That’s true but you are bringing this up as if it were to counter what we are saying and it doesn’t- please be more careful in how you present the information.
If it is true and looks like a rebuttal when it’s not, it will only hurt the people trying to learn.
Be careful about what? Correcting a misunderstanding of why something is done? I brought it up because he stated something that was not true.
He stated that the engraving was to show ownership; it’s not. I corrected his misunderstanding.
Dont need shit like what,someone was asking a legit question and I was giving a legit answer:confused: I answered honestly and to the best of my knowledge