Troy TRX Extreme vs VTAC Extreme?

[Robb_Jensen]

The newer Troy barrel nuts are a bit more stout. And they come with the wrench. To keep from bending the teeth even on these new ones I grease up the barrel nut and receiver really well with Brownells Actions Lube plus and set my torque wrench to 25ft lbs. Then torque it to 25ft lbs, loosen, set the wrench to 30ft lbs, torque to 30ft lbs, etc etc. until I can get good alignment above 35ft lbs and below 80ft lbs. If you just do the 3 torques per the TM many times you’ll bend the barrel nut teeth. The reason they bend more easily than say a USGI style nut is because of the grooves (fluting like) that allow the Troy tube to slide over it.

[kwelz]

Mine went on pretty flawlessly as well. Of course i didn’t do it myself LOL
Thanks to Joe at Superior Firearms for putting up with me looking over his shoulder while he did it.

[Kentucky_Cop]

@JSGlock34

Hey, thanks for the model number. That is a very interesting offering from S&W. 14.5" barrel with 1/7" twist and pinned FH, along with a Troy rail, MagPul MOE furniture and MBUS…interesting to see more S&W rifles with the 1/7 barrel and nice to see the Troy rail on production guns.

I’m wondering when we’ll see the new Troy/VTAC rall appear on the VTAC rifles from S&W, JP, Noveske (and I understand Troy now).

Thanks for making the link HOT! I just sold my 15T to my cop buddy to buy this 15TS. I really love the Extreme Rail, the new 1/7 twist offering, MBUS’s, and MOE gear that comes standard. Smith has really excelled in several areas and answered many shooters requests. I am waiting for a reply from buds on how much and how long to get one in. Back to the rail, I think it will be great with bare hands, VFG/AFG and a light.

[SPDGG]

The S&W pic looks like they went to a Mid-Length Gas Length ??? Just an observation/assumption, not concrete. If anyone gets one in hand please post, Thanks.

If so,

[kwelz]

@SPDGG

The S&W pic looks like they went to a Mid-Length Gas Length ??? Just an observation/assumption, not concrete. If anyone gets one in hand please post, Thanks.

If so,

Looks like you are correct.

Very interesting. Looks like I just recreated hat they are offering from the factory now! Nice

[Robb_Jensen]

Ernest Langdon (while working for S&W) and I constantly urged S&W to make a midlength. I saw this rifle at SHOT show, they finally listened.

[JSGlock34]

Smith and Wesson’s website lists the weight as 6lbs…wonder what the barrel profile is.

[Bob_RI]

@JSGlock34

Smith and Wesson’s website lists the weight as 6lbs…wonder what the barrel profile is.

Interesting… the twist rate and weight seem to differ here (1/9 & 6.5lbs)…http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/other/2010_NewProducts_rev4.pdf

still a nice piece either way.

I’ve got the Troy Extreme 11" - great rail, very happy with it.

[David_Thomas]

@gotm4

Ernest Langdon (while working for S&W) and I constantly urged S&W to make a midlength. I saw this rifle at SHOT show, they finally listened.

Good for S&W. Looks like a great offering. I was getting ready to send you a couple of uppers for the installation of these rails. The S&W offering may take that $$ out of your pocket.

Is the gas block pinned? Is it aluminum or steel?

[Robb_Jensen]

@David_Thomas

Good for S&W. Looks like a great offering. I was getting ready to send you a couple of uppers for the installation of these rails. The S&W offering may take that $$ out of your pocket.

Is the gas block pinned? Is it aluminum or steel?

Pinned and it’s steel.

[Kentucky_Cop]

Guys, I swear that I looked at the new M&P with the Troy rail and it said 1/7 twist. Even my gun guy commented on it and was surprised they were offering that twist rate when he looked at it on his computer at the gun store. When I saw the details, it was about, oh 2 weeks ago. I wonder if they made a typo. I referenced its 1/7 twist rate in another thread chatting about the new smiths in the handgun section. I must be crazy. Anyways, would you consider this a “middy” rifle? Also, is it good that the gas block is pinned and steel. Not up on all this stuff like I wish.

[Robb_Jensen]

@Kentucky_Cop

Guys, I swear that I looked at the new M&P with the Troy rail and it said 1/7 twist. Even my gun guy commented on it and was surprised they were offering that twist rate when he looked at it on his computer at the gun store. When I saw the details, it was about, oh 2 weeks ago. I wonder if they made a typo. I referenced its 1/7 twist rate in another thread chatting about the new smiths in the handgun section. I must be crazy. Anyways, would you consider this a “middy” rifle? Also, is it good that the gas block is pinned and steel. Not up on all this stuff like I wish.

The one I saw at SHOT was 1/7 and it appeared to be a CAR length gas system. I can only think that they probably didn’t have midlength barrels ready yet so they probably just used a 1/7 twist VTAC M&P15 barrel for it instead.

[JSGlock34]

@Kentucky_Cop

Guys, I swear that I looked at the new M&P with the Troy rail and it said 1/7 twist. Even my gun guy commented on it and was surprised they were offering that twist rate when he looked at it on his computer at the gun store. When I saw the details, it was about, oh 2 weeks ago. I wonder if they made a typo. I referenced its 1/7 twist rate in another thread chatting about the new smiths in the handgun section. I must be crazy. Anyways, would you consider this a “middy” rifle? Also, is it good that the gas block is pinned and steel. Not up on all this stuff like I wish.

You’re not wrong…

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=11101&langId=-1&productId=760612&tabselected=over&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=15702

SKU: 811024
Features:
14-1/2" Barrel with 1 in 7" Twist and Fixed Vortex Flash-Hider for Overall Length of 16.1"
13" Troy® TRX Extreme Handguard
Folding Magpul® MBUS Front and Rear Sights
Magpul® MOE Stock
Magpul® PMAG Magazine
Magpul® MOE Grip

Model: M&P15
Caliber: 5.56 mm NATO / .223
Capacity: 30 Round Detachable Magazine
Action: Semi-Auto
Barrel Length: 16.1"
Barrel Twist: 1 in 7"
Front Sight: Folding Magpul® (MBUS)
Rear Sight: Folding Magpul® (MBUS)
Overall Length: 34" Extended/31" Collapsed
Stock: Magpul® MOE
Weight: 6 lbs.
Barrel Material: 4140 Steel
Receiver Material: 7075 T6 Aluminum
Finish: Hard Coat Black Anodized
Chromed Comp: Barrel Bore, Gas Key Chamber, Bolt Carrier

[Kentucky_Cop]

Hmmm.

I wonder which one is going to be available? Is it the 1/7 twist or the 1/9 like the new for 2010 flyer/PDF states. Nonetheless, the new Troy TRX is an excellent addition on it. Hey, is this considered a “middy”?

Ky Cop

[kombos]

@Kentucky_Cop

Hmmm.

I wonder which one is going to be available? Is it the 1/7 twist or the 1/9 like the new for 2010 flyer/PDF states. Nonetheless, the new Troy TRX is an excellent addition on it. Hey, is this considered a “middy”?

Ky Cop

Doesn’t say in the specs, but looks to be from the pic.

[Kentucky_Cop]

The more I look at the Troy, I think thats the ticket when wearing gloves. The circles cut in the rail looks like a good way for your fingers to hook up with the rifle compared to the VTAC’s “slits” . Gloves or even bare hands, I think in my opinion I would like the circles for control. Is the Troy made out of plastic and the VTAC out of aluminum?

Ky Cop

[HeavyDuty]

Nope, both are aluminum.

[jp0319]

@JSGlock34

Hey, thanks for the model number. That is a very interesting offering from S&W. 14.5" barrel with 1/7" twist and pinned FH, along with a Troy rail, MagPul MOE furniture and MBUS…interesting to see more S&W rifles with the 1/7 barrel and nice to see the Troy rail on production guns.

I’m wondering when we’ll see the new Troy/VTAC rall appear on the VTAC rifles from S&W, JP, Noveske (and I understand Troy now).

I was on the noveske site an hour ago and when you click on the VTAC link it says they are in the process of changing over to the new VTAC rail, from the old JP/VTAC model, so I assume their VTAC rifles will soon come with the nex rail.

[HeavyDuty]

By the way, I spent about two hours shooting my TRX-E yesterday without gloves. No irritation at all.

[jp0319]

@tacticalmonkey

Just seems to be a softer aluminum and the way the tightening tab underneath the rail pulled together. Maybe its just perception. I still like the rail, still want to get the vtac 13" for a middy build.

I was wondering the same things, thinking of building a light weight upper, looking at the Troy/VTAC because of weight, but mainly price since they are dramaticly cheaper that the DD lite rail which is my prime choice all though I think the DD mounting is stronger.