I’ve been looking at all of these and all seem to mount to same without removal of front sight or barrel nut. Just cut off the Delta ring and mount the forearm.
Can anyone tell me the differences and positives and negatives of each brand (weight, rigidness, etc). The Samson and MI almost look identical but then again, I have not handled any personally, just viewed pics online. I am interested in putting one on a mid-length gas system carbine w/either a YHM Flip front sight /gas block or get a longer rail, low profile gas block and flip up sights for the rail.
From a purely economic standpoint I went with the MI when I built my new gun. I have previously used an MI carbine length rail on another gun I own and have had no difficulties with it in either performance or quality. FWIW, at work my rifle has KAC rails and they have had a tendency to turn purple when they get hot. Nothing wrong with them in function, just appearance. I didn’t want that on my personal guns so I stayed away from KAC, that and they cost too much. Good luck in your search
First, the Samson rail is the Troy (stole their design). The Troy rail has anti-rotational tabs which the MI does not have. The Troy and MI are both good quality so you cannot lose either way IMHO.
I will give you my song and dance on rail systems.
If you can install or pay someone to install it, go with a one piece FF rail (like LT, DD, KAC). If you cannot do it or don’t to pay for it, go with a two piece FF rail.
No two piece rail is going to be as lite or as rigid as a one piece one.
That is false statement which has been pushed around the internet.
Just some info for you, before Steve Troy contacted Samson about making rails for them, Samson had not made a SINGLE part for the AR. I also do not believe that Samson even owned and AR at this time. So you do you honestly believe that Samson sat on the design of the MRF waiting for someone to come along and have it made with their name on it??? :rolleyes:
I also believe that Troy Industries has been awarded the patent on it.
Actually I obtained the information from one of the involved parties, not the errornet. It is my understanding that Samson designed the rail for Troy and the two later had a falling out and went their seperate ways.
An individuals point of view is often swayed by the source of their information.
Samson looks like a machine shop and they must be a vendor for Troy. Most companies don’t own 100% in-house machine and finishing facilities because it’s a very expensive investment.
Since Samson made the parts for Troy, they knew all the specs obviously. I won’t speculate on the legal issues because it seems like they’re still battling it out and everyone has their own rumors and possible sources, but once the vendor has your design…well he has your design on file. We have designs for stuff from Boeing, Cessna, Flow International, etc. (lots of it exclusively licensed components to us alone), because we make it for them.
It wouldn’t take a stretch of the imagination to replace their company name with our own, but we’d come under a huge barrage of legal issues for doing something like that. I actually have the Samson MFRS rail I got several years back before I was made aware there was beef between Troy and Samson. I have never had a Troy but I assume they’re both off identical prints, they would have to be identical save the engraving.
Well let me guess, you got the info from either Samson or one of his dealers.
Re-read the question I asked and see if it makes sense.
I have been involved with this mess from day one and was one of the VERY first (if not the first) dealers to be approached by Samson to stock “their rails.”
I know that the Troy rails were considered the top of the line back when they were first released and to my knowledge, were the first rail to offer a continuous rail system from an A3 flat top to a near seamless transition to the rail without the need for risers or whatnot (shortly after LMT came out with their MRP but thats an integrated upper solution)
I’m curious if there are new makes that surpass them in design, function, and any other aspects that make them take the top spot today. Once I bought my rail, I fell out the loop a little and haven’t had a chance to be updated to-the-minute as far as top dog goes. It seems like every single day, another company opens up and makes/copies an existing design.
Grant, I chose not to get into a urination event with you over this. I called you on it because I have seen you slam Samson before. You are obviously in the Troy corner in this situation and biased in that direction. Had Samson done something to YOU I could see this, however you have made no mention that YOU have been wronged.
After 20 years in Law Enforcement I have found that their are at least two sides to every story. The truth however is normally found in the middle.
To get back to Stick’s initial question, the Samson rail will work just fine for what you are looking to do (as would the Troy). I do agree that a one piece rail (Larue for example) would be a stronger and lighter alternative. If you decide to go the gas block route be sure to have it PINNED in place. Set screws WILL back out eventually leaving you with a single shot blaster until it can be repaired. Installing a one piece rail is not difficult. If you chose not to tackle it any local gunsmith worthy of the name should be able to make the switch for you.
ETA: I would think that if Troy had already won any legal proceedings Samson would have been ordered to cease and desist production of any rails that infringed on Troy’s rights.
Thanks for all the info. I have installed 1 piece rails before, both rifle length YHM lightweight free floats. One on a RRA 16" (reece wanna be)and another on a SS 20" 1/8 (SDM-R wanna be). They are o.k. but the possibility of rotation is what I am not crazy about. Which I don’t plan on getting rid of either of the rifles or changing their set up. Possilby may tap a small set screw into the tube/barrel nut on the underside to eliminate the possibility of rotation in the future. I am mainly just interested in the quality of the 2 piece units and differnence between them. I think I’m sold on the Troy rails in comparison to the others from price/anti-rotation/continuous rail point of veiw. Thanks again for all the info.
I view Steve Troy as a friend and so when someone screws a friend I take offense to that. Steve Troy also does not post on the internet so I taken up the charge to make sure folks know what really is going on.
Again, I ask anyone that believes that Samson designed the rail, to show me a SINGLE AR related product before he became involved with Troy Industries. This should tell you all you need to know.
Last time I checked, the court case is still going on so that is why you have not heard anything.
As you said, there are two sides two every story and you are biased towards the Samson one. I have been involved in this since day one and am also the guy that caught Samson on ARFCOM trying to peddle a “new rail system.” If this isn’t bad enough, Samson is in bed with Dick Swan.