If money wasn’t a concern, what would you choose to put on the end of your 11.5" SBR? I’m stuck between the BattleComp 1.0 and the Knight’s Triple Tap. I haven’t used either of these before and I’m looking for the best to reduce muzzle rise. I’m not too concerned about side blast, just reducing muzzle rise for fast shot to shot recovery.
The BattleComp is getting rave reviews and I intend to try it out. Many say the performance mirrors that of the Triple Tap, though not 100% but very similar. The only reason I can see to spend so much more for the KAC brake is to use it’s secondary feature which is to attach a KAC NT4 supressor, something I intend to do in the future when I buy an SR-15E3, mostly to have a pure-KAC setup, but that’s beside the point.
I haven’t used either so don’t take my advice too seriously, just something to consider.
I have a triple tap on a 10.5, and a BattleComp on a 12.5 (x2), and a 11.5. Both are very close to each other. I would save the $300 and buy some ammo, or another piece of gear unless you are going with the KAC suppressor.
If you’re going to use a Knight’s NT4 suppressor, get the T3. It’s amazing.
If not, get the BattleComp, and buy bullets.
I have the KAC 3T on my BCM 11.5 upper & it is awsome to say the least.
The Noveske 12.5 sbr I am going to be getting will be sporting the battlecomp for no other reason that I won’t be paying 50% of the uppers cost for the brake & it’s rave reviews from others.
If I had mad $ then I would have all 3T’s
Well, with Knight’s releasing the new MAMS brake and their new cans, one being smaller like a Mini, I’d wait if you have any interest in the Triple Tap.
The new cans, which will be more up to date than the older NT4, WILL NOT work on the Teiple Tap and the NT4 WILL NOT work on the new MAMS. the new MAMS is supposedly more effective than the Triple Tap as well.
I have two Triple Taps and am not completely happy about this. So, though I’m waiting to see the new KAC gear, ultimately I will probably go with the AAC 51t compatible BattleComp when it comes out so I can just run the Mini4 on all my guns. If they would make a Surefire compatible BC, it would be a no brainer, but I don’t think that’ll be happening.
I have 2 BattleComps as well as my Triple Taps. Though I like the Triple Taps a hair better, the BattleComp is more than enough and what I suggest to everyone that’s not running a KAC suppressor.
I can only speak for myself here, but if you want to split hairs, I can feel a little more rearward push with the BattleComp. Both reduce muzzle flip very well, but the Triple Tap is just a hair better at rearward recoil.
Throw a Vltor A5 on there and then you’ll probably be better than just the Triple Tap with a carbine RE in both impulses plus save $200. Not hating on the Triple Tap at all as mine are great, I just feel that should be pointed out so you understand all the options.
Now, none of this will really may tree that much if you aren’t pushing your gun to it’s fullest potential or you aren’t controlling your gun under rapid fire by grip and stance. Not calling anyone out at all, but here’s just a perfect example. There’s a guy (mostly shoots for accuracy i believe) praising the BattleComp up and down who posted some videos of him shooting an SBR with a BattleComp. Not talking bad at all, but it looked as if it was rocking him on his heals. The before and after were hardly different and could probably manage recoil much better if he’d take a carbine class.
My point is, what did he get for his $150? How is it going to help him if he can’t control recoil to begin with? He may be the best bench shooter in the world but I just don’t see what was gained for him with the BattleComp.
So, there are things we can do for free that will make more difference that a brake. If we are not very experienced shooters focusing on speed, neither will be anything more than a crutch. If we are average or a just a little better than average and shoot somewhat quickly, will we really be able to see the difference between the Triple Tap and BC if we’re not running the KAC can? If we’re one of the best shooters in the world, will that slight difference even matter at that point?
You may be the world’s best shooter or brand new, I don’t know. All im trying to get at this long-winded post is that when choosing between two items like these, we need to take a serious look at our selves, our ability as a shooter and where we plan on going with our shooting.
If you do not currently own a KAC suppressor, I can’t think of any reason to suggest the Triple Tap over the BattleComp. If you are dead set on buying a KAC suppressor, I can’t see any reason to not suggest waiting for the MAMS and the new suppressors to be released. For my personal needs, I’d much rather have a suppressor that only adds about 3" or less (like the new KAC cqb, the AAC Mini4 or the Surefire Mini or Micro) and has a 22db reduction than one that adds over 5" and reduces 32db+.
I hope you make sense of this and please understand this is all personal preference and my opinion only. Sorry for the length reply, I’ve been dealing with something similar I guess. The KAC stuff not being backwards compatible really bothers me and I’m looking for other options now. It would be very hard to justify 5 MAMS if they’re similary priced to the T3, and it would be equally, or even harder, to justify 3 more T3’s at their price that won’t work with new technology. So, just for me, it’s looking more and more like 51t BattleComps or Surefire brakes and flash hiders across the board.
Jonathan
If you’re not concerned about blast, have you looked at the Surefire mb556? Do you plan on buying any suppressors?
I had a the MB556 on my 10.5 and hated it, i traded it for a BC but if money wasn’t an issue I’d have a TT.
I’ve never tried them on a SBR, but I did have a BC1.0 and currently have the 3T on my 16" SR15e3.
I wish I would never have switched. I do a good bit of shooting at an indoor range and the 3T is stupid amounts of loud indoors. As I thought I would end up buying a KAC suppressor, I switched. I kind of wished I would have waited until I had the suppressor to install the 3T.
That’s my concern with the Surefire. Not so much my 14.5" or 16", but my 10.5" and 11.5" I’m finishing now. So, you definitely like the BC better on the 10.5"?
I’ve noticed my T3 has more flash than the BattleComp after a little bit of build up. I’m in no way talking bad about KAC, for thee record. I have two SR15’s and they’ve been perfect.
I’ve only really noticed that when shooting XM193.
If I shoot XM855 or Hornady 55gr training, it doesn’t really ‘flash’ as much. I always just attributed that to ammo.
That’s mostly what I shoot. Obviously I’m not expecting either to be a flash hider, but once the T3’s get dirty, I see some larger fireballs than the BC. I don’t care that much, just something I noticed.
Does anyone have anymore info on the KAC MAMS Brake or have a picture of one?
If youre not gonna run a supressor, did you consider the Miculek comp?
Not what I’m looking for.
Snoop around in the pics links below…
http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=69466&start=25
The MAMS is going to be similar to the Triple Tap though it’ll use a different attachment system, forget the name tight this minute. It’s said to reduce up to 55%. It also will not need timed to the shooter, which is a great feature.
In all of that KAC tour thread, there’s only a couple pics of it very small and blurry, plus it’s on a 7.62 in those pics, so it’ll be a good bit larger. As of now, it will have a similar look to the Triple Tap but should have three short prongs sticking out of it.
No idea yet as to how it’ll handle flash or blast and no idea on price or release date. We should see pics next month following the AAC silencer shoot.
The new suppressors should be very nice, especially the CQB for my needs. I’m interested in seeing it and giving it a run, but even with how and as much as I shoot, I’m not sure it’ll do much for me that the AAC Mini4 can’t on BattleComp 51t’s. The only reason I don’t think I’ll be running the Surefire is because I’ll be running it in a 10.5", 11.5", 14.5", 2 x 16" and maybe a Kino. I know I could run a FH instead on the shorter ones, but given the option, I want to stay with the T3/BC type brakes.
I never thought I’d have a hard time deciding on brakes! This MAMS is really throwing me off here. I just can’t believe they’d make something at this price point (cans and brakes) and not have them be backwards compatible.
Definitely, the SF rattled my teeth every time I shot it, but they also don’t recommend it on a 10.5.
Nice!!!
I would give my left nut for a Knight’s PDW and a lifetime supply of ammo.