Trijicon RMR Review and First Impressions

Gear Review: Trijicon RMR Sight Adjustable (LED) – 6.5 MOA Red Dot

I was finally able to get my Glock 34 with a Trijicon RMR on it out for a full day’s training class and I’d like to share my experiences and impressions of the Trijicon RMR.

At the facility where I do my training, they do a lot of training with various military units and they have been noticing more and more Tier 1 units using red dots on their handguns. Clearly, it is no longer a “geardo fad” but something that is being adopted by many units running their handguns hard in every environmental condition imaginable. I finally took the plunge myself after using various handguns with red dots from the various instructors and students.

I had been dry firing with it at home a lot, practicing acquiring a target as quickly as possible. The red dot does take some getting used to and I’ve found that, for me, the fastest way to acquire the target it to focus strongly on a consistent presentation, which, for me, involves punching the gun out swiftly as on a “rail” fully extended and thinking of the red dot as a “remote” I’m pointing at a receiver on my TV. During various shows I choose an object that I know will be appearing often and each time it shows up on screen, I work at getting the red dot on it quickly. (Yes, the gun is unloaded, triple safety checked, etc.). I have been doing this for a couple weeks and it really paid off during live fire.

During the class I shot around 500 rounds and I can say that I’ve never had such a high hit percentage before using only iron sights, at any distance. Acquiring the target was a bit more slow if I did not carefully focus on fundamentals to get the right presentation down, but I was delivering rounds on target very accurately while moving and shooting in any direction and of course, from a static position. Particularly longer shots were a breeze.

The key for me is to remember to look at the target and let the red dot settle on it, rather than concentrating on looking at the red dot. After years of repeating to myself, “front sight, front sight” it definitely is going to take a time to readjust my “muscle memory” but the benefits are very obvious to me.

I chose the 6.5 MOA dot and I’m happy with that size. It allows me easily to get rounds on a smaller steel torso target from 75 yards out, all the way in, obviously to very close distances, where, regardless, rapid shooting at a close distance is more about good fundamentals and index shooting without as much attention to sights to begin with. A couple other members of the class were telling me they had had fun a few days previous banging a steel oil drum set out in a field at around 175 yards.

Distant shots with the RMR in place are ridiculously easy and sure to put a big smile on your face as you consistently hear the “ping” of bullets hitting steel at, no doubt, unrealistic distances, but it sure is a fun “bonus” of the red dot. I took 12 shots at a steel torso target at 100 yards and hit it each time with fairly rapid fire. Fun times.

I’m getting my shots pretty much dead-on into targets any size I shoot at and since I’m not planning on using the handgun in any bullseye competitions, I’m not feeling much of a need to zero it. But I may eventually. The point is that it is pretty impressive how literally out of the box, with it securing mounted on the slide, the red dot’s accuracy is more than enough for me without any zeroing.

The sight itself is extremely rugged and I’m glad I went with Trijicon. I had no problems with the glass fogging or blurring at any point. I’m still getting used to racking the slide using the sight to assist, which is pretty important since racking the slide with an overhand motion as I was used to doing without the RMR on it is now different. I have the sight anchored down firmly on to the milled slide, using Locktite (blue). I purchased a milled slide for my Glock 34 from One Source Tactical and I’m very pleased with the quality and service they offered.

We practiced various malfunction drills and I ran them all very well with the RMR in place, such as stovepipe, where you sweep the stovepipe away, or double feeds where you have to drop mag and rack the slide to clear it, etc.

We ran drills at various distances, practicing bounding to cover, etc. and at no time did I feel hampered by or slowed down by the red dot and the accuracy makes every minute of “getting used to it” well worth it.

My vision situation is a bit unique perhaps. I had LASIK surgery about five years ago and consequently my dominant eye, the right eye, is my “distance vision” eye with 20/10 vision in it, my left eye is my close vision eye, and so acquiring the front sight crisply had been a bit of a chore, but with the red dot I’m able to take full advantage of the 20/10 vision in my dominant eye. So, with 50+ year old eyes and LASIK the RMR is just what the doctor ordered.

I’m running the handgun on my battle belt with a custom made Bladetech holster. Bladetech does a nice job forming the holster just a tad from their “stock” holsters to allow for a bit more room at the top for the RMR. They also opened the bottom up a bit to allow for my threaded barrel and I had it shaped to accept the G34 with a Surefire flashlight. I ran the gun with the surefire light on it all day without noticing anything other than a bit less muzzle climb due to the flashlight on the weapon. It felt better in my hand.

So, for those considering a RMR for their handgun, I can’t recommend it highly enough, and obviously, I feel I made the right choice going with a Trijicon RMR.

SPECIFICATIONS
Trijicon RMR Sight Adjustable (LED) 6.5 MOA Red Dot
Magnification 1x
Bullet Drop Compensator No
Length (In) 45mm
Weight (oz) 1.2 oz w/Battery
Illumination Source LED
Reticle Pattern 6.5 MOA Dot
Day Reticle Color Red
Night Reticle Color Red
Bindon Aiming Concept No
Adjustment @ 100 yards (clicks/in) 1.0
Housing Material Forged Aluminum
Batteries 1 CR2032 Lithium Battery
Battery Life Over 4 years of continuous use (when used at 70ºF (21ºC)) at setting 4 of 8. *Extreme temperatures (high or low) will affect lithium battery performance.

Great write up. Thank you.

You bet.

Thanks for the post, appreciate any/all first hand actual experience someone has with an piece of kit.

As the others said, great Write up! I’m thinking about putting a RMR on my G34. I’m wondering if I should use the slide that came with the gun or buy a new slide add the RMR and tall sights?

You can send the slide that came with your G34 off to a place like One Source Tactical and have them mill it for you. You can also purchase your RMR from them, or send them the one you bought for them to mount it. But mounting it is absolutely no big deal at all if you can use a screwdriver and loktite.

I did a write up that got lost in the shuffle on here

http://vdmsr.blogspot.com/2014/05/glock-19-rmr-process.html#more

I sent one of my G19 slides off to one source to get the treatment for an RMR.

I have not been able to do anything more than zero it thought, finding a good holster is turning out to be difficult.

Raven Concealment?

I did a review on one - http://vdmsr.blogspot.com/2014/02/raven-vanguard-2-holster.html - the vanguard 2.

It does the job, but not for what I want out of a holster. It is not a holster I would wear all the time.

Love the vanguard 2. As I type this, I have my G26 in my VG2 out at dinner. But I don’t think it would be ideal for a pistol with a red dot

I’ve been very pleased with any Bladetech product I’ve purchased, with my RMR and flashlight on my G34, and 26 round magazine, I’m not thinking of conceal carrying it.

:slight_smile:

I think he was suggesting trying one of their Phantom holsters for your 19. I know they make custom holsters for RMR equipped pistols.

Ah, ok, I only use IWB concealable holsters for the most part, I wouldn’t carry with an OWB holster.

They can be worn iwb.

Iirc, comptac can be easily modded to accept an mrds

Yeah I know what you mean. Just FWIW, I never tried anything other than their VG2 for a while for the same reason. I ended up buying one for the few times when I knew I’d be comfortable open carrying and found that I could easily conceal it to within my comfort zone with most of my normal wardrobe. And this was with a FS M&P9 w/ X300. I also ended up leaving it on while at home unlike IWB holsters because it was more comfortable. Just throwing it out there.

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I have no issue concealing a G19 OWB in a RC phantom in the winter with heavier clothing. I even feel comfortable with my G34 with an X300 OWB in a RC Phantom LC holster with a hoodie. In the summer it’s generally my G26 or G19 in the Vanguard 2.

Great write up and review - thanks for taking the time! One caution I will offer to anyone considering a red dot sight for a pistol though… Longevity seems to be the main issue. I remember reading that Hilton Yam has gone through at least 4 or 5 RMR’s with not very high round counts. The other thing, and I’m not suggesting you are doing this PT, is that just because a Tier 1 unit uses a certain piece of equipment, doesn’t mean it’s suitable for the rest of us. Tier 1 units tend to favor EOTechs, yet many of us in the shooting world have seen countless EOTechs fail over and over. We don’t have a support network that provides new parts/gear every time something doesn’t work properly. There is nobody inspecting and maintaining my equipment after each arrest, competition, class, etc. other than me. Where some military units might be able to afford to run pistol mounted RDS even with the current failure rate - I cannot afford that.

The good news is companies are continually getting better and improving their products. I expect one day a RDS on a pistol will be as common as it is now on a rifle. But for now I’ll wait and see. Kudos to guys like PT for keeping us in the loop. I hope you’ll periodically stop back into this thread and update us on how it’s doing, round count, etc.

Re. Reliability…I spent a lot of time reading about the Trijicon RMR. I think you will find that the adjustable models are the ones that had more reliability issues.

Use the Google advanced search feature and limit your search to the past year, then enter as many word combinations as you can think of with “malfunction” or “break” etc.

Doing this I found no widespread reports of problems in the past year or so.

You mention Yam.

His articles on the RMR were very helpful. If you read his articles chronologically you will notice his reports of problems date to 2012, with the adjustable models.

His more recent articles indicates he is an enthusiastic proponent of red dots and uses them on his duty weapons. I have not noticed him reporting negative experiences in the past year or more.

So, Cid, sorry but your remarks re reliability are dated and incorrect.

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I was in no way trying to downplay their importance or benefits, and it appears I may have come off negatively. If that’s the case it was not intentional.

That said… this quote is from December 2013, “Pistol optics still fail, and irons are necessary.”
and can be found here: http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=5411#more-5411

There is also an issue when using them in inclement weather: http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=4096

This quote, “I would not currently recommend the mini red dots for duty use due to the durability issues, as well as transition training and sustainment required to stay successful with them.” (Sept 8, 2013)
can be found here: http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=3551#more-3551

And I know for a fact Hilton does NOT use a RDS on his duty pistols in any capacity.

Cid, sorry, but in my opinion your assessment of the reliability of the RMR is lacking in facts, based on older information and therefore quite incorrect. They have in fact proven now to be very rugged and reliable. You may want to do more research rather than rely on simply anecdotal generalizations from one source. Easily done by spending some time doing detailed searches using Google’s advanced search functionality.

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