Well after converting to colt a while back and letting a friend shoot some he decided he wanted a rifle. He is going to the police academy…
I showed him grants deals on the 6720 and 6920.
I found him a ffl that would transfer cheap.
He tells me yesterday he’s just going to have one of the local cops build him one…
I asked why he didn’t want the colt the reply I got was the colt was too blocky, upon asking what kind of lower would be used I was told Aero…I was sort of stunned because they look the same…
He was also conceded about not being able to mount a rds on the flat top.
I don’t understand why someone would pay 950 for tossed together parts when 1000I will get you the gold standard… I can understand cheap builds in the 6 to 700the dollar range for plinkers but I had to walk away from this for now
Anyone have any advise I could give my buddy? I tried to make him read here…
You can lead a horse to water but, you can’t make him drink…frankly let your buddy get his slapped together AR…Let him fail with it. It’s the only way he’s going to learn…
Oh, boy! Another “I’m friends with a fucking retard and I want you guys to help me install a pair of functioning neurons in his head” thread. We haven’t had one of these in a week or two.
If he won’t listen it doesn’t matter what kind of facts you throw at him.
For his safety, I would at least urge him to find out whose armorer’s course his cop buddy went through.
Who knows, the guy might know what he is talking about. I doubt it, but the possibility exists.
The cop buddy has been thru “bubba the gun plumbers school of home gun plumbing”
last time i was at his range and he was trying to diagnose another friendsmalfunctioning gun, he kept telling him it was under gassed i would say it was a problem in his bcm, like a loose key or something, and neither ofthem thought i was right till i dropped my bcg(colt) in the gun and it ran great. i stuck with it was a gas key problem, and the “cop buddy” swore it was under gassed.
i guess yall are right about the cant make him drink thing. i will bring this up once more then let it die…
the cop friend told me personally he doesn’t like colt because the magwell area is too “blocky”
but an aero lower looks better. he disagreed when i said they were the same
I agree with Failure2Stop. Just because he’s a LEO and went to an armors school doesn’t even instill confidence personally.
I’ve been a LEO for 19 years. I’ve never been to armors school, but can download video’s and instructions on how to assemble an AR. I’ve never assembled an Ar, but how hard can it be? I’m sure the world is full of penny pinching individuals with this thought in mind. I still wouldn’t trust any AR that I assembled to be used for anything other than recreational shooting.
My agency sent 4 of our armors to an armors school for the AR/M4 system. The head armor still has yet to use a torque wrench, as he feels you really don’t have to bother with one. (Yes, he’s an idiot)
With the pricing of Colt 6920’s lately, you’d be hard pressed to build for your first gun. Especially if the skill and experience of the person assembling the gun is in doubt.
Attending an armorers course does not an armorer make. If you attend the Colt Course or Ken Elmores’ course you will not do barrels. The Colt course will provide enough info to do basic troubleshooting, etc… but it really does not qualify you to start assembling guns for use.
You need to have some solid years of understanding and use of the system. Personally I would tell your buddy like it is. He’s an idiot and is risking his life on a firearm assembled by BubbaJohn. Then ask him to add you to his life insurance policy.
Some people are not worth the time. I have one friend who I educated, and he is on his own now and doing very well. He now is learning on his own. We are going to a Vickers 3day together this summer.
I have another friend I tried to teach. The constant blank look on his face discouraged me and I gave up. It was not worth my time. He bought a pre-ban colt A2 Hbar, I agreed with this decision and encouraged it. It was a good price and we live in a ban state.
My next piece of advice was take it home shoot it, learn about it and then I will help pick the parts online to turn it into a good carbine. He said he wanted everything then and proceeded to but a 500$ parts kit at the show. It consisted of a M4 stock and commercial receiver extension. the upper was 16" mid weight, 1/9 twist non-chrome lined. Gas block was railed, set screwed, the rail was lower then the flat top. Carbine hand guards. He did not buy any BUIS, he did buy an EOtech.
The gas block moved forward shooting it, and it became single shot. His EOtech quickly ran out of batteries, and he had no back ups.
My friend is a moron and there is no hope for him. I reassembled his AR to all colt configuration and he has shelved it.
Although I tend to agree that your friend wont listen, I would ask him what kind of warranty the cop was going to give him, or better yet, if there was some catastrophic event with the gun and your friend lost an eye or finger or whatever, how much liability insurance the cop had. I’m not sure what kind of liability someone would have if they were “building” guns for someone with out proper training, but I wouldn’t want to be the test case on something like that either.
The power of self delusion and the male ego are unrivaled by any facts you could ever produce. Any change of mind will have to come from within himself, you can only help him to reach that point on his own. You can’t force in straight in.
does he have visions of this being a “patrol rifle” someday? i know some departments allow officers to qual/carry individual carbines…so is this home build going to get him killed?
I built my first AR in 1977. Having said that your buddy should get the colt. You did what you could by pointing him to Grant. He will learn soon enough.
sounds like it is just going to be a plinker range gun. Then chances are extremely low (never) his life will never be in danger because someone built it, so let it go. i hate friends that dont mind thier own business sometimes.
Agree with all above. Only thought to add is you now must encourage your friend to buy a lot of ammo and shoot the shit out of it. It’ll either be “proofed out” or break, and then he’ll know for sure.
Just lost my brother to S&W even after showing relative prices on Colt and BCM. Now all I can do is peer pressure him into shooting A LOT. Time will learn’im!