Tried Three Hornady 75gr Offerings at the Range - 100 Yards With Results

First let say up front, I do not have a “precision rig.” I do not have a 10x Leupold scope, nor do I have a cryogencially treated stainless match barrel, and I am not a competition national match shooter or sniper. I also do not have a chronograph to check the velocities of these loads I tested today.

What I do have, however, is a Noveske N4 lo-pro light carbine with a TA33G-H 3x30 ACOG, and three types of Hornady 75gr ammo to test for my own purposes. I have Hornady 9760EL .223 75gr TAP for training (visible cannelure looks like a T1C bullet), Hornady 80261 Steel Match .223 75gr (no cannelure visible so I think it is a T1 bullet), and recently acquired Hornady Superformance 5.56 75gr which apparently now comes with a T2 bullet from what I can tell. Last year, the Superformance 5.56 variety was widely regarded as crap after it showed it was only capable of 3-4 m.o.a. performance. It apparently was loaded with the T1 bullet last year, but is different now.

So today I had the day off from work, and I headed out to my local 100 yard range. It was 35 degrees out with a light breeze from 6 o’clock.

And here is my afore mentioned Noveske carbine

As I said, I do not have a proper precision scope, what I have is a combat optical gunsight, effective for man size silhouette targets in a combat environment, not x-ring shooting. Here is what my reticle looks like at 100 yards againste the berm:

As you can see, the center dot of my reticle is bigger than the 1" dot in the center of the target. I had to use the horizontal and vertical reference lines to judge my centering on the target sheet. Also, although I am generally pleased with the green reticle, I found the contrast on white target paper to be difficult to see:

Excuses aside, I did my best effort with 10 round groups of each ammo. Here is the target stand:

Let’s look more closely, first at the Hornady 9760EL .223 TAP for training:

I don’t have ballistic analyzing software that some contributors like Molon have, and I don’t really know how you measure a group and compute the true m.o.a., but I measured the spread between the two farthest hits. Maybe someone else can chime in if they know how to convert this to an m.o.a. value. I get 2 3/8" spread by my crude measure:

Next up, the Hornady Steel Match 80261 75gr .223:

And by my crude measure, I see a 2 1/8" spread:

Next up, we change gears to a 5.56 high octane load, the Hornady Superformance 81264 75gr with the T2 bullet. As I said earlier, reports from last year indicated this offering had disappointing 3-4 m.o.a. performance. I purchased this ammo because I wanted the 75gr bullet in a load that had a greater velocity of fragmentation effective range. It would be nice to have 1 m.o.a. and the greater velocity and effective range of a 5.56 loading together (like LEO can obtain in the 5.56 TAP), but it’s not clear yet if the Superformance is a civilan near equivalent of the 5.56 TAP 75gr ammo. Here is what it did for me with my carbine and an ACOG:

And by my measure, my 10 shot group spreads 3"

Again, I’m not sure how a 3" spread translates to an m.o.a. value, but if I can keep 10 shots in a 3" circle at 100 yards with my carbine and have 75gr fragmenting with effective terminal ballistic performance beyond 100 yards, I’ll take it. I’ll keep the 5.56 Superformance 75gr 5.56 for SHTF and self defense, and continue to use the 9760EL for training and practice.

Also, some early reports on the Hornady 81264 5.56 75gr ammo indicated the high pressure was bulging primers and was possibly not recommended for carbines. I saw no such signs, although I have the VLTOR A5 receiver extension system on my Noveske N4 which may have made a difference.

I wish I had a chrony to report on the velocity of the 5.56 load, and I know this data is not of the same caliber and value as Molon’s postings, but I found the results useful.

Nice work, 10rd groups is very pleasing to see:)

You should perhaps think about using a precision calculator in the future to better help you analyze your groupings. I recommend OnTarget and have a thread that has the free download in it if you do a search.

Here is your 81264’s group measurement…

Thanks!

I’ll search for that program to download.

I didn’t know there was something free that could do that for me.

My pleasure, I appreciate you taking the time and expense to test out the ammo:)

http://www.ontargetshooting.com/download1.html

You want to know the best part? All of those groups no matter how “crappy” are all sufficiently accurate enough to put someone down.

Here are the rest of your group measurements…

HORNADY 80261/ 75gr. Steel Match


HORNADY 9060EL/ 75gr. .223 TAP Training

HORNADY 81264/ 75gr. 5.56 SF Match

How similar, outwardly, did the 75gr TAP Training and the 75gr Steel Match appear to be?

Not too surprising those loads tested the same, or very close to.

The 5.56mm was a little bigger, but I would almost expect that being its a 5.56mm load.

Where did you get your Superformance from? If I could get some of that I have some T2 on hand I’d like to test with it.

Targets will really small aiming points work great with high power scopes, not so much with low(er) power scopes or bigger reticles, as you commented on.

A suggestion made to me by a shooter much my senior, was to find some of the NRA bullseye targets. Having a larger aiming point really gives you a good reference of where you’re aiming. Groups are all about being consistent, and to make sure you are consistently aiming at the exact same point, bigger is sometimes better.

Depending on your range, the brownish paper targets may be better too. I kept going to shoot on sunny days and the way the range is set up, when the sun is low in the sky behind me, it really whites out the target at 100 yards. Seeing a 2" bullseye, which was red, on a bright white paper target in direct sunlight was kind of a chore.

I shot the same targets, same ammunition, the next day when it was overcast and cloudy. I saw my groups shrink a bit.

like I always say, even a 3MOA load means you’re only missing your POA by 1.5"… :smiley:

simplistic, but theoretically correct. add in all the other factors, and it’s the indian, not the arrow…

I’ve never been able to get the heavies to shoot GOOD in any of my guns either.

I’m happy with a 2" 100 yard group on a fighting gun all day long… I mean… that’s a 100 yard head shot.

But when trying to stack holes, we haven’t been able to buy or make any round better than hand loaded 69gr SMKs.

Agree for use as SD/HD round in a fighting Carbine with combat sites you don’t need bug hole groups! If I want bug holes I’ll pull out my bolt gun!:smiley:

First off-great write up and post I really appreciate it when people take the time with a real “carbine” and a combat optic and shoot real 10 shot groups.

Now I shoot a lot with red dots and at distance I have tried it all-and found several things to help me.
I shoot a 4MOA Aimpoint at 100 yards and have 5.5" ShootNsee black targets. I cut the red down as much as possible and what I have found on circles on top of circles I try and put the bottom of each dot on top of each other, if I try and float it perfectly inside the other circle sometimes I find I will vertically string it.
The next thing I tried was to take a black marker and mark off 5.5-6" and make a square, then you can put the “circle in the box” and it gives me a horizontal and verticle reference point so I try and stay more on target. This has worked really well also for me.

With ACOG’s like yours I find the reticle is much more “crisp” if I cover the whole fiber optcs and shoot black reticle on white paper with maybe a red center target. This works better for me and the “washout” or “blooming” effects are both neutralized.
I have a amber chevron TA33 and I find it is very precise at 100 yards with 3" ShootNsee black targets if I shoot it with the fiber optics. If I had the dot like yours I would definately try and shoot into a “box” and cover up the fiber optics.
Try that next time and see how you do, it is very challenging with lower powered optics and red dots :smiley:

Here’s the best I could ever get the heavy stuff to do… shot out of two different guns at a hundred yards.

FWIW I bought a bunch of that stuff from CMP for service rifle compitition. I’ve only shot about 50 rounds of it prone from 200yards with my NM A2 but I feel confident in the ammo.

If I can substitute that steel match it would be almost a 50% savings.

It’s definitely good ammo… I mean… that’s very good 100 yard iron sight groupings. I’ve just never been able to wring greatness out of any of the heavies.

Sorry, I didn’t read far enough…

My best accuracy has been with Sierra 77 grain SMK’s and Lapua 77 grain Scenar’s.
pat