Asshole sold us out
http://www.toomey.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=965
Did you think we would gain anything from this “deal”, besides lost freedoms and a little more gov in your life.
Putting on my political/PR spin hat…
We could spin this in a positive way. “you have implemented back ground checks to keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have them. Therefore, you have no additional justification for gun control (AWB) on the law abiding”. A lot of this struggle is not about data, its PR and emotion. I don’t like it, but think back to Jan. IF you had been told, all that is going to happen is background checks passing through the senate (no AWB, no mag limits), that would seem like a result that is not as bad as it could have been.
Not saying I agree with this. But I think if it passes, we should spin it the way I mentioned above.
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Not buying it. They have the federal gov. Up our asses even more so. The part I don’t like is using your CCW license when you buy a firearm so now they can know how many guns and what kind you have. Basically backdoor registration
Just shot Toomey another email thanking him for selling out and promising to donate to his opponent in any primaries this up coming election cycle
I posted my disgust on his FB page telling him congrats on being a one term senator
Magpul…let this be a lesson to you.
I read that they were considering PA for their move at one time.
From the looks of it, PA is much like NY or CA…full of urban blue hells that dictate much of the state’s body politic. This is the state that also gave us Arlon Specter and John Murtha.
…sad day.
-brickboy240
I used to tell people I’m a Pennsylvanian first, from Philly second now I’m ashamed to be from both
Nope. One of the most pro-gun states in the US, still is, and will continue to be. The Senate, House, and Governor are all Republicans. The only reason it swings blue in national elections is because PA is incredibly union-controlled, but most of those union guys are pro-gun as well.
And I doubt Magpul would ever come here. The gun laws are amazing. The business laws are not.
As for Toomey, no clue what happened there. Both he and Bob Casey had A/B+ NRA ratings respectively, showing the strong gun culture here in PA. Both turned on us, though. We won’t forget that here in PA.
What is this about internet sales? All shipped stuff has to go to an FFL, do they mean that if I put my gun up for sale on my Colorado AR-15 board, I can’t do a face-to-face and transfer it?
I’ve heard that it is ok to transfer to “Friends and neighbors”, but does that mean only people we don’t know online?
Considering how ignorant that people are about gun laws, I’d just keep passing laws that cover things already illegal. Is this what the ‘internet’ part of this law means?
I agree though that if 1/1/2013 you had predicted that this was all that would happen, people would have scoffed.
All this is going to be a mess until the SCOTUS finally and finely defines what restrictions are legal and illegal. If we keep on Dole-McCain-Romney our presidential picks, we will run out of votes on the SCOTUS.
This is exactly why the “Why don’t you move” crap must end. Seems to have died down a bit fortunately, but we need everyone everywhere acting like they’re next because they really just may be. And enough is enough.
By the way I’m right over the bridge in Marlton. From here originally but lived in South for a while. No idea how you can stand the place anymore, although there are still some decent areas. For now.
EDIT: I misread the above post. I realize you were talking about Philly, not PA. My fault, I’m an ass, and sorry.
Huh? The entire state is pretty amazing, especially as a gun owner. Even Philly isn’t that bad since we’ve got state pre-emption of firearms laws and the Philly government can’t do piss.
I wish people who know nothing about this state would avoid speaking in ignorance just because we got betrayed by a shitty senator who had an A rating from the NRA.
No PA senator has been reelected after passing a gun control bill. Toomey will be no different should this come to pass, and probably even if it doesn’t.
Everyone should be writing and calling their own Senators as well as Toomey and Manchin and McCain today telling them to piss off (in more diplomatic terms). I don’t care if your Senator is Schumer.
If the voices get to be so loud that they cannot hear any more (figuratively speaking), it may cause second thoughts in a few minds.
My samples I sent are in the other “compromise” thread.
In the NE US Pa is one of the best. Shall issuestate conceal permit, no mag limits, all NFA good to go (if your sheriff signs off), no bans on any “evil” features. Ill take Pa over most other states around here.
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No it’s not, not even close.
Among other things, Democrats in this state have historically been more reliably pro-gun than the Republicans.
That said, Allegheny County (Pittsburgh) has the highest % of CCW holders in the nation, and I think Pennsylvania has more permit holders than Texas.
That said, I haven’t read it fully, but at first blush it doesn’t seem too onerous. Among other things “- Authorizes use of a state concealed carry permit instead of a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer.”
It also exempts friends, family members, and neighbors as well.
We all knew they were going to do something. It’s not nearly as bad as I would have feared back in December.
That said I may be missing something, so I’m all ears.
Lemmie guess…Toomey is not up for re-election in 14?
-brickboy240
Lets not speculate on what exactly they are NOT talking about. I want to see the actual wording for myself before I make any personal opinion on the matter. It is very difficult to believe that states like WV and PA want to attack their gun community/culture.
Attack their gun communities? Do you really believe that Toomey sees this as an attack? It isn’t an attack, it’s another fair and sensible compromise. It will ease the pressure and so long as they don’t abuse the list what can it hurt?
That is what he is thinking.
What did we get from the “compromise”?
This is no compromise, this is giving in. We get exactly nothing that we want out of this. (we == 2A community)
Let’s trade the gun show expanded checks for the Hughes Amendment repeal and the “online sale” expanded check for explicit “repeal” o fthe 89 import ban. That is a real compromise.
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Agreed…While I’m not too crazy about what they’re proposing, I want to see the actual wording first before passing judgement…Following the link, I was expecting much worse, But, as usual, the devil’s in the details…