Too many guns?

[rifleman2000]

@rubberneck

Since when did free become synonmous with a lack of responsibility. I am sorry but I believe that as a gun owner we are responsible for the safe storage of our firearms. I never leave the house without first accounting for and securing all of my guns. When I get home one or two comes out but they are never just left laying about. Maybe it is a regional thing as living in a populated area makes theft is a real concern. As Rob said, I am not so sure I can live with the idea that because I was careless with the security of my guns someone died. Not to mention I don’t want to be that asshole who’s carelessness becomes the Brady Bunch’s next anti-gun campaign.

You can’t legislate “responsibility”. Who are you to judge anyway? That question is for everyone. Wait until gun safes aren’t enough, and “responsible” is like the UK and we have to store our firearms at a gun club to be “responsible”.

I have the right to leave my guns all over my house. In fact, when I returned from over seas my State Police roommate had done just that so it took an hour to locate on of my pistols. I was pissed, because I secure my weapons. So thank you.

But I don’t give a damn what you believe about how I store my firearms in my house, and if someone breaks in and steals my guns to commit a crime, they are the criminal and not me. Regardless of how “responsible” I am.

Pretty anti-freedom sentiments here… “I am from the ATF here to inspect your gun storage.”

ETA: Hell, look at the title of this anti-freedom thread “Too many guns?” Whatever.

[JStor]

I’m with rifleman2000 on this.

[kaiservontexas]

Too many, looked them over to make sure they were legal, guns in a house! :rolleyes:

[Bat_Guano]

The man has a point. Eddie Eagle was right–secure them responsibly as a matter of simple ethics, if nothing else.

Some years ago I cleaned up a retired small town cop’s Model 10 for him, by way of returning a favor. The moron then proceeded to take a trip to CA and left his pickup parked and unlocked. The gun was stolen–duh–and God knows where it wound up. The owner was mildly irritated but beyond that really didn’t care.

If you can afford the gun you can afford to secure it.

[PRGGodfather]

Yup, the title is a stupid question.

Shamdawg, I know what you were alluding to, and simply, if you have concerns, come talk to me about them – instead of seeking psychological closure on an open Internet gun forum. Have you considered the subject in question might even be a member here? What does OPSEC mean to you?

There is also a LEO forum if you feel the need to express your rant in this fashion – and if you are truly troubled by it, I can refer you to EAP.

It is absolutely ludicrous to ask such a loaded question in this venue and expect not to generate a controversy.

The facts of this matter were self-redacted and I will not provide more information while this case is open.

Simply, I hope we can agree you have the right to have as many guns as you want and leave them all over the house, within reason. I hope we also can agree the irresponsible exercising of rights results in further degradation of said rights.

Further, if a child accesses them because you left them unsecured and hurts someone, we will prosecute you for it.

Also, if anyone is naive enough to think that’s what this is incident is all about – well, I have nothing else to add.

This is NOT about multiple guns. I have enough Glocks and AR15’s to arm every member of my family – and some of the neighbors. Shamdawg knows this, as I have worked on his personal AR.

So, without giving specifics, let’s just understand this:

If the police respond to your house for any reason and find – say, 65 Jennings .25 autos all legally registered to you – you can certainly keep them – even after I run every serial number and later check BATFE’s e-Trace to be sure these “collector pieces” aren’t “overflowing” into the illegal gun trade.

I’m not suggesting you don’t have the right to collect them – heck, I don’t care if you collect fossilized dinosaur turds.

I am saying we, as the police, have an absolute obligation to make sure you’re not dealing illegally. If it turns out you’re an FFL, or you really collect such pieces of crap because you have the opinion they are the pinnacle of firearms engineering – have at it. In any case, police attention has been called, and we have the obligation to ask questions to verify it’s all good.

Once verified – no harm, no foul. But unless we’re personal friends and I know for certain you’re not an a-hole – even though I am as strident a PRO2A cop you will ever find – I’m still going to be curious about you and check you out because of the obvious public safety impact.

If it’s legal, we’re out of there – since as the OP mentioned, he wasn’t all that excited about having to book all of the pieces, even for safekeeping.

And starting a thread about this incident on the Internet is lame at best. I suspect the OP will voluntarily come see me when he gets back to work to explain what he was expecting to accomplish with this thread – other than soliciting the unrestrained opinions of persons he doesn’t even know…

[John_Wayne777]

Alrighty then…on that note, I’m pressing the lock button.