Short Barreled Rifle
Not to high jack, but how do I get started in that sort of thing ? Where do I file the paper work and pay the $200 tax ? Id love to have a 10.5 upper. Does the tax have to be paid once or yearly ?
It’s stands for Short Barreled Rifle. It’s an NFA item which requires applying for a tax stamp through the BATFE
I say go for it. I’d love to make one myself but the Sherriff in my county won’t sign off on it.
Just go the “Trust” route then… you dont need his or anyones permission.
Using quicken willmaker I hadthe trust docs done up in ~10 minutes. I’m doing it because I don’t like paying for fingerprint cards or for the sheriff to sign paperwork.
What exactly is the “Trust” route?
exactly? I’ll tell you what it is loosely- it’s a Revocable Living Trust- a legal entity that can “own” property. NFA items can be transferred to it and since it’s a legal entity like a corporation without a face, background or fingerprints, none of the usual hoops have to be jumped through when filling out the Forms…
Search the NFA forum here and you’ll have all the info you need for doing a Trust.
Good luck…
Just Do It!

My DPMS Panther Carbine 11.5" SBR
Laws aside, there is nothing I want to do with an AR15 that I cannot do with a 12.5, and that includes shooting to 500m.
I prefer the 16 for nothing more than sight radious.
A 16" carbine has the same sight radius as a 10.5".
DOH! ![]()
Hey, he said “radious” not “radius” so you don’t know what he means for sure… ![]()
Does a 10.5" barrel effect the gas system any ?
Could I get away with a 12.5" barrel and Noveske KX3 and not get the stamp? The LEOs at the range informed me that you cannot get the SBR here in Seattle.
Doing the math, that equals 15.78", which seems close enough to 16" for government work.
This is a joke, right?
You can also pick up the March issue of Small Arms Review and find an article written by the attorney that set up my trust. I would STRONGLY suggest using an attorney for this, errornet babble to the contrary should be ignored.
Would you really want ot chance it ??
If you check, I think you will find that Noveske has a 13.7" barrel with a permanently mounted KX3 that makes 16 inches. The Ruby Ridge incident began over a less than 16 in barrel that wasn’t “close enough for government work.”