TN man charged with felony reckless endangerment after returning fire on armed thieve

https://www.foxnews.com/us/tennessee-man-charged-felony-reckless-endangerment-returning-fire-armed-auto-thieves

A Shelby County man was notified by his surveillance system at around 2 a.m. Saturday that several people were outside his home and using burglary tools in an effort to break into a van, Fox 13 Memphis reported.

After the man walked outside, the thieves fired shots at him as he stood beneath the porch light of his home, according to the outlet.

Security video shows the homeowner and the suspects shooting at each other several times.

The thieves fled the scene and the man went back into his house, but when police arrived, the man’s wife said they began interrogating him.

“When they were talking to him, from what I saw, it was like they were trying to find ways to charge him,” the homeowner’s wife told Fox 13 Memphis. “That doesn’t sound right. Why would you put pressure on the victim when you should put pressure for the suspects to be found.”

The man, who has not been publicly identified, was eventually arrested and charged with reckless endangerment but later released, and his family hopes the charge will be dropped, according to Fox 13 Memphis.

“The suspects, they are out there,” the man’s wife told the outlet. “They were probably sleeping or partying [while] my husband was in jail trying to get released for something where he was innocent.”

News of the incident drew criticism on social media, including from Heritage Foundation senior fellow Amy Swearer, who disagreed with the explanation given by police as to why the man was arrested.

Man arrested after shooting at car theft suspects in self-defense, Shelby County Sheriff’s Office says

https://www.localmemphis.com/article/news/local/man-arrested-after-shooting-at-car-theft-suspects-in-self-defense-shelby-county-sheriffs-office-says-gun-violence-tennessee/522-2923d975-7e6b-45b0-9fa0-dd7e304abf30

Rodriquez told authorities that when he walked outside his front door to confront these men, they opened fire on him, according to the affidavit.

Apparently self defense is now frowned upon in Shelby County Tennessee…

They don’t want you to fight back.

I laugh at people with blue line flags in front of their homes or as stickers on their cars.

I understand Shelby Co is blue and all, but I’m not sure that matters much here. Even in the red most county, cops are not your friends.

If you have to monitor your security camera’s in the middle of the night, Law Enforcement has already failed to be a deterrant to crime in that area hasn’t it?
You either obey the law because your a morale person, or your afraid of being caught by the Police.
If you have no morality and you have no fear of the Police, you have potential anarchy.

There’s only one way to deal with it if the Cops aren’t isn’t there?

Self defense or not -

You ARE liable for wherever your bullets may land. Hence the reckless endangerment charges.

You probably need to stick to trolling Russian telegram channels here DG…

His actions were based upon an initial deadly force threat. It’s not two separate events he was being shot at when he returned fire. He would’ve never engaged, had the criminals not shot at him. The proper charges here will be to charge those responsible for creating the situation to begin with.

Just ask Kyle Rittenhouse and his lawyers how’s that stuff works. Memphis and SCSO are all ran by a bunch of liberal antigun hacks.

The victim told the Police he closed eyes while shooting and apparently shot two or more neighbors houses.

This is the guy who needs a shotgun and birdshot. He’ll be less dangerous that way.

Closes his eyes while shooting…and then tells the cops he closed his eyes while shooting…

Assuming the cops are telling the truth. They probably are because that’d be an odd thing to make up.

He has the right to protect himself and shoot, but he was stupid about it, apparently.

Deputies say the man told them that he couldn’t clearly see what he was targeting and admitted to firing shots with his eyes closed due to being scared and shooting at the suspects as they fled, the outlet noted.

The man, who has not been publicly identified, was eventually arrested and charged with reckless endangerment but later released, and his family hopes the charge will be dropped, according to Fox 13 Memphis.

As often happens, the guy pretty much arrested himself.

Even if you are 100% in the right, and think you have friendly and honest LE and prosecutor, you still should NOT talk to the police right away, by yourself, without a lawyer guiding you. “This was very stressful, I can make a statement later but need to talk to my lawyer.” Be polite, be repetitive, be insistent and don’t talk without legal counsel.

Pulling the trigger with your eyes closed and/or shooting at retreating suspects doesn’t meet the black letter law of self defense. I’m sure it happens fairly often, but confessing to that is not good for your legal situation.

I’m not sure I necessarily agree with charging him, but he DID say he had no idea where his gun was aimed at, what he was shooting at, etc.

Well it is Memphrica (Shelby Co.) after all. :rolleyes: Would probably be the equivalent of shooting someone in St. Louis or Shitcago; the scum running the place don’t want their scum constituents being shot YO!

You would if his bullets hit YOUR house.

Agreed there. Firing in a “spray-and-pray” fashion in a neighborhood is pretty risky at best.

Police here are not as bad as what Bob wants everyone to believe. Had this guy been more cautious where his rounds went (actually planted them IN the aggressors instead of neighbors houses) this would not be a story at all.

Memphis has had plenty of self defense shootings where the victim (the person that fired in self defense) was NOT charged with anything.

This is a daily reminder that the cops are not your friend, especially post-shooting. Don’t talk to them… period.

Ha! No, you don’t speak for me. I don’t necessarily agree with charging him, and I certainly wouldn’t agree with any prosecution of him.

There is that.

The important thing to remember is, when talking to the police, with every word they are asking themselves “do we need to arrest this guy?”

You can be the good guy in a situation and on initial contact the police might have no intention or desire to arrest you, but if you keep saying “things” you might find yourself being arrested.

So regardless of what went down, “I was scared and started shooting back” is a perfectly acceptable thing to say, but “I was scared so I closed my eyes and started shooting” is not an acceptable thing to say.

If they determine other houses were shot, and that’s not a good thing, you say “I’ll need to consult with my lawyer because as far as I know the guys shooting at me shot those houses.”

And even all of that is probably more than needs to be said. 99% of the time the phrase that pays is “I acted in self defense, I want to fully cooperate with any investigation but I need to speak to an attorney before I make any further statements.” 99% of cops understand what that specific phrase means and from that instant forward are not going to do anything that might screw up the case they are investigating right now and they are going to generally be cautious about doing something that will get them investigated in the future.

What this guy said…. Sad state of affairs where we have sworn LE who lack common sense or the ability to use reason… all the more reason to smile and nod, but eye with suspicion… and don’t you dare say anything if you’re involved in something like this… the cops aren’t your friend and they’re not here to help you.

It happens. They hire people and some just aren’t reliable. Factor in the job itself attracts those uniquely unsuitable for the job.

But just because they aren’t your friends, no reason to make them the enemy either. Being confrontational and a jackass can also get you hooked up when maybe they had no intentions of arresting you.

First decision most cops make is “one of them / one of us” and you don’t have to be a cop to be “one of us.” They consider themselves the good guys for the most part and for the most part they like the good guys. This is where polite and courteous come into play. Be the guy they don’t want to arrest unless they don’t have a choice. I have probably gotten out of a dozen tickets (some where I actually did do what they said I did) simply because I talked to them like a “person” and had a reasonable enough answer to the question “why were you driving like a jackass?”

Then cops move on to “do I have to arrest this person.” If you are already on the “one of us” list, only the things you say and how you say them can change your status. Keep it short. Give them the cliff notes version of events, “they were breaking into my car, I tried to stop them, they shot at me and I fired back in self defense.” Anything beyond that, “I’m unsure it happened fast and I’d really like to speak to my attorney, calm down and try and get it organized in my head before I make a statement.”

You can still be the good guy and want to talk to your lawyer first, cops understand you don’t want to say something in error and screw yourself over.

Now the guy in this particular story seems to have created some of his own problems if what is being presented is true. If you close your eyes and simply start shooting like an episode of the A Team you are gonna have problem. Shooting houses down the road is not good, would be worse if he actually tagged a bystander and it sounds like dumb luck, time and place are all that prevented it.

If he did in fact say he closed his eyes while shooting, I have no problem with him being charged. I also would have no problem with him being charged over the shots he put into the ground.

Shooting a gun in a built up area should only be done in defense of your life. Which means your fire needs to be aimed at the threat you face. Not shooting into the ground and then closing your eyes and spraying your neighbors house.