Thoughts on SIG 556

The price on this rifle has dropped to close to 1000 NIB. However there are numerous posts regarding the poor quality control, inconsistent responsiveness by SIG customer service, and expensive parts. Is this rifle a reasonable value at this price point when taking all of these factors into account when other quality AK style options exist such as the Arsenal 106 and Norinco 56. Please share your thoughts if you have fired one of the above rifles or another quality rifle in this class.

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Even if the SIG 556 was $5, it’s still a shoddy knockoff of a real SIG carbine, built to low standards with rotten QC

For $1000 why would anyone buy a 556 over a BCM?

I went to a gun show and played with a sig556 "classic’ and “swat”.

I immediately noticed ergonomic deficiencies and decided it was inferior to a decent mid length ar15 that I already paid for at a lower price.

The operating system is ideal, but that’s not enough for me to warrant a purchase.

Further more, the stocks on the two rifles I handled were both loose as hell.

They were both placed next to a SCAR rifle. I could tell that the SCAR was not happy. :smiley:

Despite the opinions given in this thread, I love mine. I’ve had it for over a year now and I think its an awesome rifle for the price. Especially since I already had an AR when I bought mine, there didn’t seem like any point in getting another AR :confused:

I had one that I liked pretty well. It was an early model, I believe with many Swiss parts.

I actually think the design changes are improvements: lighter, AR mag-compatible lower, ability to take LOP-adjustable stock. It’s SIG’s lackluster QC that worries me.

My PD had two loners from Sig to play with as possible replacements for our current carbines. They were used and abused, never cleaned, and comments from our rangemasters said they ran like like crazy. Having said that, I dont like it as much as a well setup AR, and like it much less than the SCAR…

I’ve got a classic and love it. I have a few AR’s so I wanted to try a 556. I never payed any attention to the 556 until the classic came out. Then I had to have one. I’m one of the people that wished they copied the 551 to begin with. I have the sig diopter sights and like them too.

As for the QC issues, mine has been fine. I read alot on the SIG556 forum before buying one and almost went with the ACR. Sig is probably not what it use to be, but from what I have read the customer service has replaced any problem rifles. I read alot of 556 complaints and now take them with a grain of salt. One of the latest complaints was about how the guy couldn’t get the flash hider off using a screw driver and vice grips.

If you don’t have a rifle I will be the first to recommend getting an AR first, but if you are looking for something different that will eat all types of ammo the sig may work for you. David

Kal, I agree 100% and Man! I bet that SCAR was pissed…

I had a SWAT Classic. It always seemed like an adaptation of the 550 that Mattel or Hasbro came up with.
It just exuded poor fit, QC, and a bunch of compromises rolled into one. Heck, torqued down, I could move the high dollar rear on the rail with my thumb.

As much as I tried, I just couldn’t get a confidence that it would last like a good AR. I definitely feel it is not a SHTF weapon.

But maybe it’s just me…

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A PD near mine got the loaners from SIG and liked them enough to order 6 rifles…That is when the problems began right away. The problems were the same ones that others have had and documented on the SIG556 forum. All 6 rifles have since gone back to SIG and the department has cancelled the order.

I have a Classic SWAT, an early 556 with an AR style folding stock and a SWAT pistol that i plant to SBR. Love all 3 of them.
I have had no QC problems with mine. Maybe I’ve been lucky.:slight_smile:

My only complaint is that they are nose heavy.

I’ve heard things about them being front heavy too thats why I went with the classic handguard

Mine has been 100% so far, but it was one of the earlier ones, I’d be a bit leery about getting one these days.

I decided a while back that any .223 platform I get must run on AR mags. I have no interest in buying/maintaining other mags. The Sig 556 fit that bill and with the side folding stock and 10" bbl is perfect as a travel gun IMO.

I bought the 556 SWAT pistol for the ease of the SBR conversion. I have tried to get it to malfunction with every brand ammo I can find (except wolf - won’t put that in any gun I own). It just keeps running. I took pics of the bolt carrier because some early guns had abnormal wear on them. It looked to my non-engineer eyes like the metal was too soft in the damaged ones I’ve seen online. I’ve had no indication of wear after 300 rounds.

My 2 complaints are:

  1. the ambi selector digs into my trigger finger something awful. I foresee it meeting with a dremel one day.

  2. the rail on the top of the receiver is plastic. The quad rail forearm is aluminum and decent but if I were to do it over, I’d have bought the classic pistol and later on installed the Troy which has the top rail and handguards as a single piece.

the rail on the top of the receiver is plastic.

really? I could’ve sworn it was aluminum.

I don’t make it a habit to pick up a rifle and tap certain parts to know what material it is. :smiley:

My rails are aluminum. All 3 guns.
IMHO, The SIG556 pistol is the best and easiest way to do an SBR.

A cut and paste of my thoughts from a previous Sig 556 thread;

I have 2, an SBR and a 16”. I think they are great, with a few caveats.

Cold hammer forged Nitride treated barrel, 1:7 twist (I think the DMR type has a longer twist). Both of mine have excellent triggers. The ancestry and derivation are from a sound rifle (SG 55x) with a great BCG design and a robust and proven operating system.

The ability to take STANAG magazines and a familiar control layout were benefits to me as I have several ARs.

My 16” has been surprisingly accurate, and the SBR just average but still quite acceptable. Both have been absolutely reliable with no malfunctions over about 1k rounds, and they by nature run very clean.

Now on to the caveats.

There are a few versions of the 556 series. The early guns with the AR type fixed or folding/collapsing stock setup and, the later “classic” series with the Swiss 55x type folding/collapsing stock setup. The lower receivers are different in that respect as one has a threaded receptacle for an AR type receiver extension and the other is made to accept the Swiss type stock, so it’s one way or the other- no changing between. In my opinion (shared by a great many others) the AR type folding setup is just plain junk. If you have that type, just mount a mil-spec receiver extension and the stock of your choice. If you want a folder, go with an ACE AR type setup, it’s fairly robust. But, either way get rid of the junk Sig folding mechanism. The “classic” Swiss type folder is fine. There have been some who express concern over the steel latch against aluminum receiver possibly leading to premature wear, but I haven’t seen a problem in use, nor have I heard of any actual problems. The early “classic” lowers have a Swiss made stock and (like the early standard uppers) were reported to have many Swiss internals. Later examples no longer have the Swiss made stock but one that looks the same, feels slightly different, and is of unknown origin. I am not aware of any problems with the later stocks but some say they feel cheaper…

The rest of the furniture- The early guns had some funky polymer hand guards that were unnecessarily heavy on an already front heavy gun. They were also funny looking. But, they were robust and had small rail sections. The later guns had the “classic” Swiss style hand guards that are much better, light, and also accept small rail sections. The only complaint I know of on those is that they can be a bit loose at the front. BTW you can fit the “classic” type guards in place of the older fish gills. For rails the Sig rail is fine, Samson has a nice rail, as well as Troy (free float I think) and possibly some others.

The 556 top rail is fixed to the receiver with screws as opposed to welded on like the Swiss 55x series. Some of the early examples had canted rails and Sig would often swap out the whole rifle or upper on return. Some have reported the rail screws loosening on their rifles. Most report that upon degreasing and lock tight application it doesn’t reoccur. I don’t know why Sig went this way, I wish they didn’t but, I haven’t had any problems with either of mine. This does allow the aftermarket rails to have a “monolithic” top rail as they replace the whole thing.

Sights/Optics- There are several versions of sights on the 556 series. Firstly let’s have it said that the Sig red dot Aimpoint T-1 knockoff is a disgrace for a company like Sig and I don’t know how they get away with it. I sold mine on TOS, there are plenty of buyers… Now the BUIS- It should be said that in the case of the 556, BUIS stands for Buyer Understands I Suck. The popsicle stick rear is delicate and has an imprecise adjusting mechanism. But, I was able to get surprisingly small groups with it. The front sights are fine for the most part. The issue with replacement is that the 556 has a lower comb height/cheek weld than an AR and thus lower profile sights. So if you throw on an AR rear BUIS it will be higher and also require replacing the front with a matching height. There are several quality options out there if you are OK with the higher cheek weld of the AR sights, including folding fronts that fit in the Sig front sight gas block dovetail if you don’t have rails. There is also the micro version of the excellent Troy folder which has a matching rail mount front and also lines up with one of the assorted Sig or Swiss SAN gas block front sights. I have tried out the Sig diopter set on the SBR and am un-impressed. The front seems fine but the rear is less than confidence inspiring and took an awful lot of elevation to zero. I will be going with either the Troy micro folder or one of the Swiss options. For the Swiss options there are some great sights but, they are a bit hard to track down, and they are expensive, worse than buying KAC stuff. Anyway, there are quality sight solutions out there. Whatever one does with regard to BUIS just be sure to pay attention to the various heights and match them up.

Magazines- The Sig magazines are crap, sell them, people want them… PMags work fine as well as any quality AR mag.

As mentioned some people with small hands have trouble reaching the mag release or safety without shifting their grip. I have large hands and no problems. But the large KAC mag button will fit and fix that part for those who do.

Overall I think that if you square away the folding stock and BUIS it’s a fine gun. No problems with either of mine. Out of the box a “classic” type should be fine but for the sights. I wanted an SBR so I bought a “pistol” and registered it. When the stamp came back I bought a “classic” 16”. I swapped the lowers for an instant SBR. I then put a Magpul UBR on the 16” for a nicely balanced setup.

There is a large population who will never like it and are upset with Sig because it departs from the Swiss 55x series and I get that. They want and have been waiting for a “US 55x”. I don’t know that it would have sold nearly as well without STANAG mag compatibility. The early quality control issues and cheap furniture/accessories also undermined the credibility of the system and their reputation.

I saw the price drop, and thought about getting one. But, I already jumped on the MSAR at the sub $1k price last Dec. It was a nice gun and reliable, but if there was a problem, you’d be out for almost 5 min sometimes - trying to clear it. Ya had to pull the barrel out. And reports of MSAR’s problems concerned me, so I decided to sell it.

After reading some issues of the SIG 556 at the Sig Forum, I’m not sure I wanna go down that road again and take a chance.

I have had my PS90 for 4 years now, and its been 1000% reliable. I know we can get into arguments about 5.7 ballistics. But, I just picked up a 2nd PS90 instead. I wanted a carbine with non powered optics - and the USG sight is decent enough. I still have my 1st PS90 with an XPS EOtech

I don’t personally know anyone who has or has owned a real SIG 55x but I have heard through the grapevine that the original SIG 55x series really wasn’t all that it was cracked up to be and alot of the mystique was that it was only available for a very limited time for civilian sale in the US.

From what I have heard, those that actually shot them in high volume training environments weren’t all that impressed. I do know from some AARs that I read with some Nashville area SWAT teams they really grew to hate them.

Could it be that the SIG 556 just isn’t all that grand because it’s father wasn’t either?

Can anyone confirm or deny my rumor mongering?:smiley:

Could it be that the SIG 556 just isn’t all that grand because it’s father wasn’t either?

Party Time Pierre seems to like it. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpeUH3RvsaY

I haven’t been able to shoot one (yet), but a local city SWAT team uses the short bbl version (552 I think?) and they love them.