The War on Toyota

I knew something smelled like BS with this media storm over Toyota. Even with much larger recalls by GM/Ford I never saw this much energy by the media or govt agencies. You have Transporation Secretary LaHood saying “stop driving” which in turn tanks Toyota’s stock price. Later he comes out and says "oh sorry that was a misstatement. Hes always on TV acting tough on Toyota, the credit on the recall is all mine, but when you ask him about the recall itself all he says is “oh just turn the car off?” But hey hes acting tough!

BTW this isnt your typical recall, especially since govt has a vested interest in GM and Chrysler. They have a motive for Toyota bashing. Yet where is Ford in the bash-fest, they are no where to be found. Oh wait they aren’t govt/UAW owned. Also the lawsuits that are coming out of this has the trial lawyers licking their chops

Even then theres little “evidence” besides a few hundred anecdotal complaints out of 10s of millions of vehicles sold that there really is a problem. And the Cali incident where the four people were killed in the ES350, it was found the incorrect floormat was installed by the dealer in the vehicle. And even the previous driver of the loaner had the problem, notified the dealer, and still the dealer didn’t fix it. Dealership fail.

Considering the crap that has been going on in this Administration for the past year, I wouldnt be surprised if this is really true. Sorry kids, healthcare, unemployment, big bank bonuses were so 2009, the new villain on the block is Toyota. Pay no attention to the rising unemployment, continual Obama and Congress fails, falling Democratic approval ratings, $3.8 trillion budget, $1.6 trillion deficits. You might die in a Toyota! Don’t let a crisis go to waste.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2519112

The war on Toyota

FP Comment

Terence Corcoran, Financial Post Published: Wednesday, February 03, 2010

There can be little doubt that Toyota, the world’s greatest auto maker in recent years, has become the victim of much more than another typical out-of-control All-American media frenzy. When top-line political gamesman such as U.S. Transport Secretary Ray LaHood, Congressional pit bull Henry Waxman, and conniving United Auto Workers executives start piling on, this is clearly much bigger sport that the usual ritual public lynching of auto executives, a routine occurrence in Washington. The attack on Toyota, at this time of U.S. economic weakness and populist excess, is fast turning into a great American nationalist assault on a foreign corporation, an economic war.

The White House has denied any such motivation on the part of the United States. But that denial lacks credibility. While it may be technically true that President Obama’s team didn’t explicitly reach a decision to target Toyota, nobody in this crowd needs a presidential order to turn the Japanese auto giant’s Sudden Unintended Acceleration (SUA) problem into a national industrial advantage for the United States. The owners of union-dominated Government Motors can spot a strategic economic opportunity without waiting for the memo from head office.

[b]California Congressman Henry Waxman swung into action, using recent anecdotal reports of sudden acceleration as a pretext for extended assaults on Toyota and its management. The UAW has joined the project as part of its campaign against Toyota’s closure of a unionized California plant.

Wednesday you could practically see the calculating wheels spinning under the hood of Mr. LaHood’s cranium when the transportation secretary told a committee that Toyota owners should simply “stop driving” their Toyotas. He later claimed to have misspoken, but then said much the same thing. If Toyota drivers are worried, they can take their vehicles to a dealer where, as Mr. LaHood knows, there was nothing the dealer could do since it is expected to take weeks if not months for Toyota to “fix” the alleged cause of Toyota’s alleged sudden acceleration problem.[/b]

Toyota shares continued their SUA plunge Wednesday, ending just below $74, down from recent highs of $92. The company has lost $23-billion in market capitalization since the crisis began.

At this stage, there is little hard data on whether Toyota actually has a sudden acceleration problem. The company is not helping matters with its apparent scrambling to come up with an explanation and a “fix” for a phenomenon that has been cropping up in auto industry lore for decades. No maker is immune, but Toyota is seems to have been caught in the latest run of reports. All of the reports are anecdotal accounts of out-of-control vehicles for reasons that nobody can ever adequately explain. The latest stories, including one of a Tennessee man who says his 2003 Camry suddenly jolted into a parking space, become instant media legends.

Of the millions of cars on the road, only a few hundred anecdotal reports exist, making it far more likely that other things are happening, including driver mistakes and even fluke occurrences that no amount of corporate fixing can avoid. Usually the stories fade and the auto companies move on, although Audi famously became victim of a SUA craze a couple of decades ago, losing massive market share even though no problem was ever identified beyond driver error.

Toyota’s experience looks like it could become even worse than Audi’s, mainly because bashing Toyota serves the national economic interest of the United States, U.S. auto makers, union leaders and others whose economic ideas tend toward nationalism. U.S. jobs for U.S. workers employed by U.S. companies.

Is the media involved? The extent of exaggeration surrounding Toyota’s problem may be just a little larger than the usual media frenzy. In a typical over-the-top anti-Toyota item, famed author James B. Stewart Wednesday told Wall Street Journal readers to “avoid - or sell - Toyota Motor shares.” His reason is that Toyota may have misrepresented the cause of a now notorious crash of a Toyota Lexus ES-350 in San Diego last August. Toyota said the Lexus crash, in which four occupants were killed following a frantic 911 call, was due to a faulty floor mat.

The official accident report by the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration makes clear that the floor mat is the likely culprit and Toyota may not quite be responsible. The mat in the Lexus was “not secured” properly, and it was also the wrong mat for that Lexus model. There also appeared to be no notable issues with the accelerator pedal itself.

Another newspaper treatment of the Lexus event, in The New York Times, also treated the San Diego crash as a function of a Toyota acceleration problem that has more causes than a poorly-maintained and wrongly installed floor mat. So far, however, nobody has proven this to be true. Even less clear is how the fix Toyota has announced - involving a new part for the accelerator pedal - is even related to the problem. Was Toyota panicked into doing something - anything - when faced with a looming full-bore economic attack from the United States Economic Marines, with the media imbedded as part of the crusade?

I am not that up to speed on all of this. But, from what I have been seeing, I also have my suspicions here. Looks like a lot of political grandstanding to me.

There seems to be two issues (and two overlapping recalls). One is concerned with floormats, for right or wrong, and one with sticking throttles.

My understanding is that the sticking throttles have been confirmed as something that slowly develops over time. And is separate from the floor mat “issues.”

I don’t think we need to put on our tinfoil hats on this.

I won’t agree with the theory but I wouldn’t put it past this administration either.

I wouldn’t put it past them to take advantage of the situation (in fact I would totally expect them to), but to have them dream it up I think is a bit of s stretch.

My issue with it is that there are those in Washington, not just the administration, who are trying to take advantage of the situation.

I see it as Toyota seeing a problem, misdiagnosing it, reevaluating it and then trying to arrange a fix for it.

Personally, I view Toyota in a favorable light for the steps that they are taking. Although, I do not have all the facts and maybe they were trying to hide something.

No tinfoil here. Just the normal politics from Washington.

to clear up the floormat issue regarding the tragic incident in Cai with the 4 people killed in the ES350. The dealer who had loaned this vehicle installed the incorrect floormats in this vehicle (used a RX400h floormat instead). The accelerator got stuck under the larger floormat of a RX400h which led up to the incident. NHTSA investigation concludes this as well. During the investigation it was found the previous driver of the loaner experienced the same problem, however he was able to shift to neutral, stop, fix the problem temporarily and then complain to the dealer…who still didnt fix it. Huge dealer negligence.

Remember if you get one of these types of situations: shift to neutral to cut power to the wheels, brake to a stop and turn off the vehicle. It’s very easy to avoid this situation. Tragically, the 4 people that were killed in Cali did not understand this emergency training. Instead they had called 911, but honestly what do you expect the cops to do when your car is going 100+ mph?

When you let the gov and their unions take ownership of a highly competitive big dollar business you can expect them to use their authority as government to hurt the competition.

Look at the new “bank tax” which all the gov companies are conveniently exempt from, and other companies are going to pay for GM, Chrysler, Fannie/Freddies TARP loan money.

But how many people keep supporting GM, and didn’t see anything wrong with the gov taking over ‘for the common good’?

Not seeing how this helps the USG or the domestic car market one bit. The average dude out there inclined to buy a Toyota won’t go running to GM for his next car because of this. He’ll haul ass to Honda. The media coverage is huge because Toyota just about dominates the U.S. car market. There are a bunch of people running around driving their product, and so far they have done a spectacularly stupid job of handling the various issues. Now add to it a bunch of tree huggers running around in their Prius’s (or would it be Prii??) who are now being told that there was an issue with their brakes (big fricking deal to the average dude since you need that shit to stop) and that Toyota implemented a software fix without warning anyone that their brakes might apparently go tits-up. At a minimum, this has probably had a significant impact on car sales, and I doubt this Administration benefits from anyone holding off making that kind of a purchase at this time, regardless of brand.

I would like a Tacoma.

I hope that Toyota continues to get abused until they’re desperate for sales, cutting prices, and offering 0% for 5 years.

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Anybody else perceive all the noise the gov’t is making regarding this issue as a way to drive people toward GM/Ford/Dodge? I sure do.

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my friend is a Toyota tech and he told me that the real issue for these run a ways is a bushing in the accelerator pedal assembly that wears out over time and will stick.

I had doubled the floormats for whatever reason in my Jeep Commander and the accelerator stuck when wide open… After a quick surprise, my first inclination was to nudge my toe under and pull up the gas pedal.

I am sure the brakes would have worked as well.

Another Audi 5000 issue…

Dennis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPDEMO3J7Cw

After the forerunner thread, I’m having a similar thought. Toyota will likely be coming out with incentives.

This whole thing reminded me of Tom Clancy’s novel, “Debt of Honor”… :wink:

Is US bullying Toyota on recall?

Socialism at its finest… Govt run business is pushing out the non-govt run. Govt is slowly over taking Private Ownership.

Same thing with property taxes. You no longer own your property, you are a “occupier”. Dont believe me? Dont pay your property tax… Govt will take your property from you.

Plus, this whole toyota thing is not good. My job is to make the Wire Drawing Dies for Toyota’s Spring coil plant. Where 100% of Toyota’s spring coils are made, those Spring Coils ran thru a Die that I, me, myself, made.

Go buy a Toyota… Keep me in work!

I’d rather own a Toyota than a GM or Ford. I thought it was pretty obvious that the government and media are grilling Toyota solely because of the vested financial interests in American automakers already. I wonder how well that toy company is doing. The one that makde wooden arrows and was getting a large chunk of bailout money.:stuck_out_tongue:

You’ll see more of this.

It’s the solution to America automaker’s inability to make good vehicles.