I think this might have gone over better if maybe the FBI just apologized. “Our bad, heres some money for a new door”. Why not just admitt you’re wrong apologize, fixed what you broke and move on??
I’m just glad nobody shot at them, because i dont think they’d be able to tell the tale later…swiss cheese…
According to the article they did apologize and are paying the landlord for a new door.
I don’t know what other people think, but as for me, no I do not believe that this is the first time that US LE has used power tools of one sort or another to gain entry into a structure.
The problem is they need to get the right location so as to not terrorize the home owner and destroy private property.
I don’t think anyone in this thread has an issue with LE using various tools they need to get the job done, the issue is sawing down the wrong door, kicking in the wrong door, et al.
Sending a Public Relations Officer by to apologize after you had your door buzz sawed, guns stuck in your face, and prevented from comforting your petrified toddler really doesn’t cut it for me. . .
An innocent homeowner’s first thought is likely never going to be that the armed individuals forcing the door are LEOs. Is there any practical approach the homeowner can take that might avoid injury or loss of life on both sides given that all one ever hears about is the need to act quickly and decisively in a home invasion scenario?
Funny, the OP says this thread has nothing to do with the wrong address but is about the use of a chainsaw during the entry.
Sending a Public Relations Officer by to apologize after you had your door buzz sawed, guns stuck in your face, and prevented from comforting your petrified toddler really doesn’t cut it for me. . .
Where was it said that a PAO came by?
Chainsaws are not new for breaching they just don’t get used often and they don’t get much press.
It would be a breach of OPSEC to discuss when you would use them but they are very effective for a number of specific applications where other breaching methods are slower or ineffective.
Circular saws like the K-12 also have their place. It is all about looking at the target, evaluating the intel, and choosing the best tool for the job.
Yeah, I was interested in the validity of a chainsaw as a breaching tool because it appears obnoxiously loud and flies against the idea of a surprise entry. Invariably a wrong-address drug raid was a hot-button topic and it drifted a bit. We’ve got no further updates from the press or FBI so at this point its all speculation and for some folks here, drawing from personal experience.
So is it forbidden to discuss other FACTS about this particular incident due to the OP not discussing them himself?
From the article linked in post #1 of this thread:
“Sanchez says another agent came by later that day to offer an apology, but it was one that Sanchez felt wasn’t quite genuine.”
Would this not be a role of the FBI OPA?
If you want to talk about wrong addresses being hit then create a thread about it. This thread isnt about that hence the reason it isnt being discussed.
Would this not be a role of the FBI OPA?
I cant speak for the FBI, but I know our PAO isnt coming out for something like that. Such a situation would be handled by the supervisor of the agents/officers that did the warrant service.