So it’s 2010 and the advancements (and understanding) of the AR platform and ammunition vs 10 years ago is lightyears where it once was. That said, has the AR pistol advanced enough to be considered a good option (even in a niche role of PDW?) to be used for serious purposes?
Here’s where my head is: I want a rifle, but find handguns to be leaps and bounds more practical than even an SBR for my intended uses if for no other reason than concealability. It’s hard carry a carbine and go unnoticed unless it’s broken down in which case makes it fairly useless unless you find time and cover to assemble and then deploy it. On the other hand a SBR (pistol caliber or otherwise) with a folding stock might be a better choice but the options there are slim as far as popularity/proven systems that isn’t an AK (not that there’s anything really wrong with an AK, it’s just not a system I’m experienced with). Which bring me back to my original question an AR pistol on a single point sling under a jacket sounds like a good idea to me. I understand that ammo selection is critical but I’m not limited to depending on fragmentation from FMJ ammo as the primary wounding mechanism, I’m just wondering if the short uppers have been improved enough to fill my niche (or if you can think of something that would fill it better).
Agreed. The merit of such a gun is all conceptual, and falls well short on practicality. I suspect that the reason we haven’t seen more development on the AR pistol side is because they are, by definition, severely-compromised weapons with no clearly-definable role.
The method of employment proposed here would seem to mirror that of the old MAC-10 in some ways, though the MAC-10 was select-fire, in a pistol caliber, and still capable of being fired from the shoulder with a passable stock. On balance, it was a crude bullet hose with very limited utility, and despite it’s faults, it was still a weapon with more innate potential than any AR pistol.
Some would argue that controllable, aimed fire from an AR pistol is achievable; if so, it is surely in spite of the weapon’s design, and not because of it.
I think that you’re on to what I’m thinking about, of course all of this is highly conceptual at this point though but I wanted to at least have the discussion so that I could develop the concept or have it evolve in another direction. Basically I’m wanting a “concealable” PDW, the AR pistol might not be the best option but this being an AR forum figured it’d be a good place to start.
No, to have something on me with more range/capacity than a G19 that would go generally unnoticed in the event that my family and I had to evacuate during a natural disaster/civil unrest (or a combination of both) type scenario.
…a week or two. It will be just like the Diplomat
rifle but with a very short extension tube, a tube Vltor
is making for us. You also use a shorter carrier and a
special heavy buffer. It is very cool and small.
what would you use this for? are you actually going to carry an AR-15 pistol around under a coat? I think AR-15 pistols are worthless. They do nothing an SBR wont do better. If where you live is so shitty you have to carry an AR-15 pistol around under a coat, then I think it might be time to either move, or just start open carrying an AR-15.
I think I’ve answered this question at least twice. I’d use it for the same thing I’d use a carbine for except avoid unwanted attention. I don’t live in a shitty area, but under certain circumstances situations can become shitty and under those circumstances open carrying a rifle isn’t the best way to be low profile. I didn’t think that a semi-concealable PDW was a foreign concept.
AR pistols are difficult to aim. If you want something really concealable I’d look into SBR ing a folding stock AK or that Sig 556 pistol. If you got money, look into a transferable UZI or folding stock MP5K. Honestly though, If things are bad enough that you need an AR over a G19, I don’t think you’re going to have to worry about concealing it. A 10.5in SBR isn’t that much harder to conceal than a 10.5in pistol, and it’s ten times more usefull.
you can legally carry an AR pistol concealed a lot more places than you can legally carry a concealed SBR.
that said, if things are that bad, legality may be last on the list.
probably investing more time in pistol training is the unglamorous and best solution here. :o
To me, the whole idea seems really squirrelly. I cant think of anywhere in the CONUS that you would need to conceal carry an AR-15 pistol. I’d rather pack a few extra mags for my P-30. If you carry an AR-15 pistol around under your coat on a daily basis, then somebodies got some serious insecurities. This thread wreaks of arfcom.
ARFCOM? Really? I never said or intended to imply that I would carry anything other than a pistol on a daily basis (which is already squirrelly to some people). I think that I’m either not getting my point across or people shut down when it comes to discussing AR pistols and PDWs (both are much maligned in some circles, probably this one too heh).
Believe me though, I’m not neglecting my handgun training it’s the most practical tool in the toolbox to me but if I know that I’m going into a shitty situation (like a hurricane evacuation where my family and I have to bug in or bug out: BTDT welcome to the Gulf Coast!) I’d want something with a little more punch than a G19 that won’t garner attention. I’m thinking more along the lines of PSD/close protection for my family, not infantryman. Of course SBRs, carbines and rifles are better until it comes to the not getting noticed part. I really want a KAC PDW which is perfect for what I’s like but that’s probably not going to happen anytime soon.
I’m a practical fella, and the more I think about it for my own purposes (as Joe Blow Civilian) a weapon that I can’t carry on my person at least semi-concealed doesn’t seem very practical to me anymore unless I intend to keep it at home all the time. We may disagree on the concept but I don’t think that’s ARFCOMish despite the hokey image AR pistols/PDWs give off.
I find it rather dumb that I can carry a LOADED AR PISTOL in a bag in my car, but I can’t carry a SBR in the same condition.
Irrespective of if I ever need to use it, I opt to have it. It’s another tool in the tool box, and one I choose to have available.
Good enough reason for me.
I’m interested to see what this new state of the art pistol looks like when all is said and done. If it IS truly $300, then maybe I’ll pick one up and turn my pistol into another rifle.
All the above being stated, an AR pistol, or pistol lower is a good option to have on hand if you travel out of state and those states you travel to do not allow SBR’s. Makes having a primary with you easier versus just your EDC pistol.
