The Official M4C Gun Control Thread

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-win-u-backs-u-n-arms-treaty-193445288.html

Only took hours for them to reschedule the UN treaty talks.

Its a done deal!

Here we go.

Look at these parts:

“We seek a treaty that contributes to international security by fighting illicit arms trafficking and proliferation, protects the sovereign right of states to conduct legitimate arms trade, and meets the concerns that we have been articulating throughout,”

U.S. officials have acknowledged privately that the treaty under discussion would have no effect on domestic gun sales and ownership because it would apply only to exports.

Does anybody know what this treaty actually is? Because this doesn’t make it sound too bad. But I could be wrong.

How many pro-gun Senators did we lose? We had 55 opposed to the treaty.

Would “exports” include exports to the US? No more HKs? No more Austrian Glocks? No more AKs?

It will only affect imported and exported fire arms, domestic made firearms will not be affect, thus our 2A will not be challenged.

from what I can find if you purchase an imported weapon you will be reported to the country it came from and kept on record for 20 years.

http://www.state.gov/t/isn/armstradetreaty/

KEY U.S. REDLINES

The Second Amendment to the Constitution must be upheld.

There will be no restrictions on civilian possession or trade of firearms otherwise permitted by law or protected by the U.S. Constitution.

There will be no dilution or diminishing of sovereign control over issues involving the private acquisition, ownership, or possession of firearms, which must remain matters of domestic law.

The U.S. will oppose provisions inconsistent with existing U.S. law or that would unduly interfere with our ability to import, export, or transfer arms in support of our national security and foreign policy interests.

The international arms trade is a legitimate commercial activity, and otherwise lawful commercial trade in arms must not be unduly hindered.

There will be no requirement for reporting on or marking and tracing of ammunition or explosives.

There will be no lowering of current international standards.
Existing nonproliferation and export control regimes must not be undermined.

The ATT negotiations must have consensus decision making to allow us to protect U.S. equities.

There will be no mandate for an international body to enforce an ATT.

Wont effect us yet !

Its like letting a guy take your daughter out and saying no really we just cuddled

It start with a innocent hand up the shirt and we know what it leads to and what they really want !

I hope it gets signed tomorrow. Anyone who has read it and understands the constitution should know that it will have no impact at all on private ownership of firearms in this country.

Email the fricking thing to me, I’ll sign it so it’s done and over with.

Agreed, I listed the Redlines that would keep it from getting signed, they will not touch domestic rifles produced in the USA and they will not touch our 2A.

Fuck that noise. I’m not going to be databased by these puppet masters.

Why we bend the knee to these bastards I’ll never understand. It’s not as if african warlords straw purchase rifles off US shelves. The war guns have been in circulation for years, and will be in circulation for years, all black-market. Nobody can trace them. It’s impossible. There are 10’s of millions of them and it’s not as if anyone tells an authority when they purchase such arms.

Only place I could find it was the NRA website and while I am a member with them they are also a fanatical group so I tend to take their stuff with a grain of salt. I was unable to find that info anywhere other than the NRA website. If its true then it only counts with imported weapons, ones made domestically won’t have that happen.

http://marketdailynews.com/2012/11/07/senator-dianne-feinstein-moves-to-ban-all-assault-rifles-high-capacity-magazines-and-pistol-grips/

It will never happen, not with the Republicans controlling the house.

You are assuming they will play within the framework of the Constitution. I’m not convinced they will.

Molon labe, baby… :cool:

Explain

When is that crusty old bag going to kick the bucket?

Tin foil hat.

If what I read is real, I have my doubts her own party would approve something so retarded.