My question is this.
If there are people who are SO DANGEROUS they cannot legally purchase a gun, why are they walking around free?
These were previously prohibited people who specifically used private sales to subvert the NICS check?
What is the number? 150? 10? 1,000? More?
I suspect there is some subterfuge going on here.
Nope, we can’t reform the criminal justice system, we can’t be bothered with pursuing the the criminals who fail background checks, we can only infringe upon the innocent.
Explain to me how any legislation for private sale background checks is going to stop a criminal from buying a gun from another criminal on the street? How is said legislation going to enforce or make a criminal say to another criminal “hey fill out these forms real quick and make sure you pass this check before I sell you this throw-a-way pistol to rob that liquor store around the corner”? Tell me how that works?
Low information voters exist on both sides. Most people will agree with background checks because they do not see the larger implications of a national gun registry database. You can’t fix stupid.
GAHHHH WHAT IN ALL CHRIST LOVING FUCK
Excuse my french but seriously!
:mad::mad::mad::ma
I’m gonna have a goddamn heart attack my blood pressure is so high…
Hey, watch it. You’re bringing logic in contact with the authoritarian liberal thought process, that is a highly reactive combination. Best claim you’re racially color-blind and don’t want to murder children for fun before hand.
I think this is the part of expanded background checks that I would be willing to support. I live in NC which requires a handgun license for purchases if you don’t have a CCW. Part of that license investigation involves the sheriff contacting local mental health facilities. I’d much rather licensing procedures such as this be abolished in favor of a national database of people who have been committed to a mental health facility in the past 2-years. By committed I mean evaluated by a physician and had the commitment affirmed by a judge. I might also extend that database to people who have court ordered substance abuse treatment, or who have court ordered out-patient psychiatric treatment within the past year. Keep in mind that court ordered out-patient treatment is generally reserved for those at risk of harming themselves or others.
This would not apply to simple custody orders from a magistrate requiring a person be brought to a hospital for evaluation and then released within 72 hours. It would also not apply to people seeking voluntary hospitalization or out-patient treatment. There would also be a mechanism for patients to be removed from the list early if they could show documentation that they no longer represent a danger to society.
As God as my witness, and all of you too, if we add “mental health” stipulations to our 2A rights, we will start seeing a rise in people being diagnosed with the types of mental health issues that will make them prohibited persons.
Mark it down. It’s People Control 101.
+1 on that.
First, many people are mentally defective but not an immediate danger to themselves or others. Some have daily hallucinations and delusions but still function at the most basic level of providing food and shelter (usually at the Salvation Army), but have no real executive functions. Would you feel comfortable shooting next to a guy at the range who carries on a conversation with the target? How about a guy who is stoned on Xanax and Oxy? Others are perfectly normal 90% of the time, but WATCHOUT if they decide to stop their meds :eek:.
Second, where are we going to wearhouse all of these people? There are not enough mental health facilities and most are not true criminals. Part of this is a funding issue since most of these people rarely have insurance.
Pat,
This is going to sound crass, but oh well. I don’t care how many criminals get guns or how many people die. Not one of these measures is going to stop a crime from being committed. None of the laws put into place already have stopped anything. In addition there are many people who have weapons that have changed hands and can’t be tied to them so nothing would stop MD or anyone else from making a sale anyways.
In addition I suggest you read the facts about the Gifford shooter. He had been previously reported to LE and apparently the college he went to reported behavior and nothing was done.
Until the feds and states get serious about prosecuting people I don’t give a shit about gun control, registries or anything else.
Let me also state that I am sick and tired of comparisons being made between criminals and gun owners and I a sick and tired of these fuckers telling us to compromise when all they do is take, take, take and then act like they did us a favor. At some point the dam is going to burst and the politicians are responsible.
So you have no problems with the fact that this guy was able to buy a gun in VA?
I hate to break it to you, but your range trips are probably FAR less extensive than the driving you do.
Think about those one or two folks you worry about on the range having “twins” in the 10,000 cars that now surround you.
Based on stats, I am much more worried about impaired and mentally defective driving than I am of being the victim of gun violence.
Emotion is all that plays on. He could have just as easily burned the buildings to the ground.
I couldn’t care less that he was able to get a gun, or two.
The real crime was that no one in those buildings was armed to stop the fucker. Period.
Thank you.
Gun registry databases are illegal. Background checks do not necessarily mean registry. It makes a registry a lot easier, but FOPA supposedly guarantees against a database of gun owners besides the NFA.
Besides, we are a republic. The people of the republic influence what the republic does. If only a small fringe do not want a law, they get overridden.
And I don’t think the “background checks lead to registration leads to confescation” argument is even slightly persuasive to most people.
And yet people do in fact get charged with even with FOPA in place. I know someone recently who was talked to by the BATFE. They had in their possession every single 4473 he ever filled out for the last 12 years. How do you suppose that they were able to get all of those? That must have taken alot of man hours and driving around the state of Tejas.
Well, at least we agree on something.
Theoretically yes, they had to call or visit every shop to get that info.
Also, just because something is illegal doesn’t mean the gov doesn’t do it. We all know that, especially dealing with the ATF.
Private sales from other criminals or private sales from civilians? It really doesn’t solve a thing to have a universal background check. Once it’s illegal to sell firearms without having to get government’s permission all that is going to happen is that criminals will continue to sell guns to other criminals AND there will be a greater incentive for criminals to break into my house to steal my guns. The whole thing is fucking stupid and a waste of time and taxpayer money. I’d like to see all of NICS disapear. Wouldn’t make a damn difference in the crime rate.