The Mexican Drug War and the FN Five-Seven

Sounds like the 5.7 is getting a lot of down range time in Mexico…

Obviously, there are numerous errors in the article in regards to the round, gun shows, etc…

11:34 PM CDT on Friday, March 13, 2009

By BYRON HARRIS / WFAA-TV
The Mexican drug wars killed 6,000 people last year. In many cases, the weapons used to perpetrate that bloody violence are coming from Dallas.

The FN Five-Seven is an assault weapon you can hold in your hand. It’s made by Fabrique Nacional in Belgium and equipped with a magazine that holds 20 rounds.

Its bullets can tear through a protective vest.

“This is known as a ‘cop killer’ down in Mexico,” said James Ruffin, a special agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. “It’s one of the weapons of choice for the drug cartel and the Zetas.”

The FN Five-Seven is the perfect weapon for Mexican drug cartels to use against each other or the Mexican police. What makes this weapon so deadly is not just the gun, but the ammunition it fires. It’s very light and it exits the barrel at a very high velocity.

The projectile tumbles when it hits the target, ripping a large hole in the victim, much like the M-16 rifle used by American troops in combat.

“These cartels are digging their heels in and are fighting back — and are fighting back with the type of firepower that we see in wartime conflicts,” said Drug Enforcement Admnistration agent James Capra.

Cartels depend on the United States for firepower, since guns can be easily purchased here. In Mexico, weapons are very tightly controlled.

Texas supplies more guns to Mexico than any other state. In 2007, more than 1,100 weapons originally sold in Texas were confiscated in Mexico, more than all other U.S. states combined.

The FN Five-Seven costs $800 to $850 at gun shops, flea markets or gun shows in Texas. But it can bring $2,600 in Mexico, where gun sales are illegal, making the FN Five-Seven attractive for smugglers.

“They have four or five people that buy these firearms legitimately,” Ruffin explained. “And then these five people don’t know each other, but they have a common source that’s providing them the money … and then they will bring those firearms to this one person, who then trafficks them down to Mexico.”

Gun shops in Texas must run background checks on all buyers. If a buyer has no criinal record, the sale goes through. Buyers at gun shows and flea markets aren’t checked at all.

Since cargo entering Mexico is rarely checked by Mexican customs, the weapons aren’t discovered until they’re recovered at crime scenes across the border. And there are plenty of those.

More than 900 people were murdered in Juarez — across the border from El Paso — last year.

The source of the violence is drugs. The source of the firepower is Texas.

Sounds like the U.S. needs to end the drug war and Mexico needs to allow lawful citizens to purchase firearms. Lots of profits going into the wrong hands on both sides.

And what a great advertisement for the Five-Seven to boot!

Can we just close the damn border already…

Clearly this relationship isnt working

I saw an interesting article in Rolling Stone recently about the “Mexican Drug Wars”. It was interesting in that I couldn’t help but notice the irony in a magazine bemoaning all these deaths when it’s the drug culture that they promote and glorify that is responsible for the deaths.

Don’t want Mexicans killing each other? Stop smoking/snorting/shooting drugs. Problem solved.

Mmmmm media sensationalism anyone?

I wonder how much of this is based on reality and how much is based on FN marketing being bought into by both drug lords and anti-gunners…even though I’m sure both wish it was true.

Who knew the 5.7 was such a deathray, but claiming that a pistol is the equivalent of a rifle is straining credulity.

Perhaps the article might have been informative if the author had actually bothered to research how many people have actually been killed by the 5.7.

My guess is that 9mm is killing far more people.

Being a “cop” I have often wondered why just certain rounds in the media are refered to as the “cop killer.” You never hear, "the 7mm Rem Mag “cop killer.” The .338 Lapua Magnum, also known as the “cop killer.” Like back to the days of the “black talons” and such.

Sometimes I sit and think and sometimes I just sit…:cool:

And +1 for closing the damn border.

Red

Maybe Mexico should build a fence.

“In Mexico, weapons are very tightly controlled.”

Unlike all the drugs:rolleyes:

Sounds like the U.S. needs to end the drug war and Mexico needs to allow lawful citizens to purchase firearms.

You mean hold people responsible for their actions?Rather than the items they misuse/abuse?

Thats a novel idea.

Double Tap.

Please delete.

For some background on the issue that’s reported much more effectively:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/Gun_Running_Series_Part_1.html

And as far as the cop killer designation for the FN 5.7 goes, the things are referred to by my neighbors across the border as “matapolicias.” It’s a literal translation.

Oh, and if you think the Mexican cartels aren’t heavily armed, this all came out of one house in Reynosa last November:




288 rifles, a bunch of pistols, half a dozen 50 cals, and 500,000 rounds of ammo. One house.

If you read a little closer…

Some of the guns found amid the carnage in Aguascalientes, including a Walther G22 assault-style rifle and a Beretta M9 semi-automatic handgun, began their 475-mile journey in Laredo. Sold legally from a cramped store overlooking the Rio Grande, they were then resold, smuggled, stashed, handed off, and left by the narcos at the bloody scene of Black Thursday. Now, they rest in a Mexican army vault.

A .22lr Walther G22 is now an “assault-style rifle”?

I’m not sure how it’s an improvement.

The problem, and it was alluded to in that SA Express News article, is the inter agency bickering. The Mexicans won’t talk to the Americans. The ATF won’t talk to ICE. etc, etc. Combine that with widespread corruption in the Mexican law enforcement agencies and it is just cake for the cartels.

And saying that well, its Mexicos problem is like watching your neighbors house burn on a windy day and pretending your property is just fine. Gangs are a big problem in Texas cities, and getting worse with each day. Working in LE, I’ve personally seen the gang problem getting worse each year over the past half decade. The primary purpose of these gangs is to deal drugs, drugs mostly supplied from Mexico.

The thing is, we (USA) and Mexico as well need to decide if we are serious about fighting illegal drugs or not. Because half assed and half hearted enforcement and idiotic symbolic laws like weapon bans aren’t going to do jack shit. If the answer is yes, then there needs to be fluid communications both intra-agency, inter-agency, and extra-national or we are just wasting time and money. Militarize the border if need be. Obama wants to create jobs; OK well instead of giving money to failing companies or creating more porkulus packages, lets double, hell triple the about of Border Patrol agents and get them to work. Have the ATF stop fucking with people over 1.5" of barrel length and C&R bound books and have them working on locking up straw purchasers. Set up a few major stings, get a bunch of people arrested and parade them on TV - send the message, you straw purchase you will get busted.

If not, well just legalize everything and the free market will deal with the cartels and bankrupt them in a month.

Oh I wasn’t doubting for one second that they’re heavily armed, I was just pointing out the sensationalism involved in reporting.

One question however is where they’re buying all the military hardware like M203 rounds and grenade launchers? It’s not like they’re available at your local gun store for purchase.

I do see a lone 5.7 on the table. I’m going to AZ in May for a wedding, and I will be packing (thank goodness for reciprocity).

i think i just jizzed my pants a little…

my guess is most of these weapons came straight from the mexican government- army and/or police. not texas.

yeah alot of them have the selector in the full auto position, obviously those were not just bought at some gun store in texas.

Neither were the grenades.

The notion that Mexico’s violence problem is caused by American guns is the most absurd fucking thing I’ve heard in years. Mind numbingly absurd. Eye-burstingly, aneurysm-inducingly, heart-explodingly absurd.

My man must have had some big-ass closets.