This is great stuff right here!! I love how they portray this…:rolleyes:
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/04/16843014-exclusive-justice-department-memo-reveals-legal-case-for-drone-strikes-on-americans?lite
“The U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” – even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S”
Suddenly I’m having flashbacks to a bunch of arfcommers about 10 years ago telling me how The Patriot Act will NEVER be used against US citizens. I kept telling them that sooner or later it will be a tool at the disposal of a Democratic President who will expand it. They of course told me I was nuts and trolling.
Comforting is it not?
I think we all can agree on this…
Not good. :mad:
Just as they say we’ll never be under the boot of tyranny and need arms to defend ourselves…
I wonder when your gonna start issuing brown shirts to all DHS personnel, afterall we gotta get that civilian police force that rivals the military in terms of strength and funding up and running.
So an american citizen joins a terrorist group overseas and trains with them and makes plans to kill american’s and we should do nothing?
Pat:blink:
To me it seems its so open ended the criteria could be what ever they want. Might be a domestic situation like:“He has guns and always speaks out against our policies. He’s a terrorist. Drone him.”
They don’t have to justify it or even have definitive intel to prove it?
Or an American on enemy soil that they want to rub out that wasn’t in the middle terrorism but they say he was to cover their ass.
It’s called Due Process.
If you haven’t seen the DOJ flyers lately you should see just what our .gov considers “terrorists”. It’s a mighty broad brush.
So we now HELLFIRE US citizens into oblivion with no evidence other than our benevolent .gov’s word, yeah that’s liberty.
No one said anything about doing nothing.
What do you think should be the proper course of action?
My read of the white paper is a bit different than yours. I read it as we think someone has joined an organization we deem as a terrorist one, have no idea what they are really doing, but we are going to kill them and you have no (judicial or congressional) oversight before, during or after the event. How convenient is that. Eric the gun runner gets to make a decision on whether a organization is a terrorist organization or not and Barack the trap shooter gets to pull the trigger with no recourse what so ever.
I am dumbfounded by people who want to prepare for the worst when it comes to everything, but choose to always give the government carte blanche, even though it has historical proven to step on its dick every time it can.
I listened to several news commentaries today where, in the space of minutes, people talked shit about pro-2nd amendment groups, characterizing them as paranoid loons worried about the government “black helicopters” coming to take their guns away, then deftly shifted gears and began discussing the inherent dangers of a drone policy which appears to give the government carte blanche to take out American citizens on the basis of loosely defined and extremely broad criteria with little or no oversight.
WTF? How does a person not realize the complete disconnect between those two policy positions?
Fixed it for ya. 
I’m all for killing terrorists. I’m all for apprehending American citizens involved in criminal conspiracies to commit terrorism, and using lethal force if necessary to effect that apprehension.
Justice dispensed from a drone platform on an American citizen is where I draw the line though.
I understand the concern but this is a unique situation. We are not talking about using drones on US soil. We are talking about killing terrorists held up in regions hostile to the US and where sending in troops to arrest them would just cause more american lives to be lost. I admit its a tough issue and I don’t know what is truly the right answer.
Pat
Agreed. It seems the executive power has no bounds anymore. Just ignore the rules and do whatever you want administration. Our “security” is being traded for our liberty. Just like we must keep the children safe from guns really means “we have a good excuse to trick the public into taking all their guns so we can act like kings”.
The white paper, for those that missed it.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf
It’s so loosely written, you have no clue if this could one day turn into being a falsely justified attack on US soil. None.
You say that now, but what if they came for everyones guns and people faught back? You then have terrorists and its ok to launch hellfire missles because they are bad mmmkay.
I guess you missed the “if they are believed” part.