Is it possible that with the HK45/c and the M&P45/c that the Glock 21 will soon be obsolete? Anytime someone asks “what new 45 should I buy because…?” People usually answer “HK45 OR M&P45.” I know because I typically answer HK45. I hardly see people suggest a G21.
Was the G21SF not good enough of an improvement? I had a G21SF and got rid of it. I shot well, but I didn’t think anything special of it. With that being said, I LOVE my HK45 and really like my M&P 45.
I dont think it will go away its a great pistol and half the price of the H&K. Besides is a glock and they have a rep thats every bit as good as the other 2 pistols you mentioned.
The NYSP have chosen it as there weapon of choice. You know if you realy had a bad boss they would give you the Beretta PX4
I don’t think so.
The H&K 45 is a great gun, but it is just as large, more expensive and holds 10 rounds in the mag. Yes, it offers a great ergonomics, but with the price it carries along with little aftermarket sight options and only a DA/SA or LEM trigger pull as options I think it competes primarily with the 1911 rather than the G21.
The M&P 45 is also has only a 10 round mag and is only slightly more concealable than the G21. It does offer some more options (such as holsters, sights and such) than the HK45, but again I don’t see it as “replacing” the G21’s position in the market.
I think if you are inclined to want a high-capacity 45 ACP for on-the-belt duty carry the Glock 21 is hard to beat. No, it may not be nearly as “ergonomic” when you pick it up as the other two pistols you mentioned, but most folks that carry one find they shoot it quite well and it carries easier than most might think.
Fair enough, I was just asking.
How about the G30/G36?
I remember shooting a Glock 36 and I didn’t like it at all. Main reason being that it malfunctioned 4 times.
The Glock 21 is what I am issued through my department.
I hate it, I can shoot it well, but it is the most uncomfortable gun I have ever had, or used. It is just to large for a majority of peoples hands.
Now, I’m not a Glock guy to begin with, but I would much rather have the M&P, or the HK. I have a Sig P220 that I would carry over the 21.
I am just shocked that Glock receives a pass for all the Gen 4 issues, can’t wait to see how the other Gen 4 rollouts transpire. If it were Sig or any other manufacturers with this many issues, then all Hell would break loose. Sorry, but Glock is not the end all, be all pistol. IMO, Glock is good for 9mm, if you are seeking other calibers, then HK and M&P is the name of the game.
the G36 is glock’s lemon.
I’ve heard they’ve got it more or less sorted out now, but its reputation is already trashed for most people.
I don’t think the G21 and G30 are going anywhere personally. I’d go HK if i wanted a 45, but that’s partly just the fanboy in me. :o
We issue the Glock 21SF to all of our officers. So far, everyone seems to like them quite a bit.
I’m not sure on what exactly the #'s are here, but I’ll play devils advocate for a second…
Let’s look at what Glock changed with their Gen4 vs Gen3 guns, then look at what SIG changed between say an 03 era P226R vs an 05 era P226R. I bet there’s a reason people are more/less “accepting” the teething issues of the G4 guns vs the 226s…
Now yeah, I’ll agree it’s a double standard. Doesn’t make it right that Glock gets a pass and Sig gets thrown under the 37 mile long train, but again I think it has more to do with what Sig changed vs what Glock changed as to the why.
I’m not taking anything you say/ask personally, even tho I was one of the people who recommended Glock. The only reason I did was b/c the OP of that topic already carried a G19, and most people here talk about streamlining weapon systems and being a master of it. I see nothing wrong with knowing the M&P, Glock, 1911, H&K sytem(s) or whatever else someone wants to own/run/shoot after all almost all of us are gun enthusiasts first and foremost…but in the idea of affordability plus sensibility I think going “all Glock” made more sense.
Now if he said “I just want a non-1911 .45 b/c I want one” oh hell yeah, I would’ve recommended an HK45 or M&P45 without a second thought!
Two G21’s make up my primary HD. They are not getting replaced anytime soon. Not everyone can pay HK prices, and if you want or need two guns, then it is $1100 vrs $1600. $500 is a big difference, especially since the Glock goes bang everytime, and it is very user friendly. JMHO
Both the M&P and HK45 hold 10 rounds rather than 13. Both guns have slimmer grips that generally feel better than the G21’s. Like everything else in life, you give something up to get something. Like the FNP45 that holds 14 rounds of 45ACP, the G21 is a higher capacity double column 45. I think it will be here to stay. There will always be people who will take a thicker more uncomfortable grip to have a few more rounds. That being said, I like my G21 although I freely admit that the HK45 and M&P45 feel better in my hand.
Here in Greenville County the same. I like the pistol alot. I also like my HK USP .45 and 9mm. But i also have a 21sf rtf2 for HD. Glocks are one of my fav.s for known reasons. All mine are gen3 to…
Arkansas State troopers are issued Gen3 G21s. One of my best friends is with them and is very happy with his. He’s a big dude so it fits his hands fine. I bought him a Custom Carry Concepts Shaggy for it and he is carrying that monster appendix style off duty.
Longhorn, what exactly changed between an 03 and 05 P226? The only thing that I can think of is the addition of a few MIM parts, and several years ago, SIG did let out some guns that had some faulty MIM parts, which has been fixed. Glock changed the whole frame and recoil spring with the Gen4’s.
There is a HUGE double standard that is even more blown out of proportion by the errornet. Then you have the guys that have to jump on the latest “flavor of the month” bandwagon, and dismiss anything that’s not the latest and greatest. Then you get questions such as the OP’s. The G21 is a viable platform, and will continue to be for years to come. The HK45 is a great weapon too, but it doesn’t make the Glock obsolete. The M&P is still not ready for prime time yet, in my opinion, but they they all are capable of accomplishing the same goal. Hell, look at the 1911… it’s been around for 100 years!
I wouldn’t want a Gen4 Glock right now, as they are still having teething issues. Even the Gen3 guns had problems and aren’t the “end all be all” gun, as someone else said. My SIGs, new or old, were more reliable and more accurate than my G19. With that being said, EVERY manufacturer has had some QC or parts problems, and that includes H&K.
The G21 obsolete? Who knows, however the G30SF is superior to both the M&P and the HK…
Uh, no it’s not.
I just threw the 03 and 05 #'s out there as kind of a blind reference. Not trying to insinuate those are the beginning and ending points of perfection, just for comparisons sake if I have to choose Gen3 vs Gen4, I’ve got to have some sort of distinctive “difference” for the Sig.
But that’s my point. Look at what was changed, then what failed and maybe that has something to do with why it’s accepted in Glock’s case versus Sig’s case? I dunno…I’m just trying to rationalize an irrational mass opinion.
I have G21 and an HK USP Tactical and I like them both. I have big hands and this probably has something to do with it. After shooting the glock for so long, the trigger reset of the HK felt REALLY weird.
I can shoot the HK more accurately.
Next 45 for me will likely be a 2011.
I have had a G30 for years and traded it in on a G30SF when they came out. It just fit my hand better. As soon as I could afford to I also bought a G21SF mainly because it holds 13 rounds. It also fits my hand well. If money were no object I would have a HK but they are just too expensive for me and holding only 10 rounds, I would rather carry the G30SF. Some people just just don’t like Glocks and that’s fine, but I do. I doubt that Glock will be dropping the G21 and the Gen4 version will probably be out soon. It’s always good to have plenty of choices… pick what you like! 
Only female officers in my dept. can get the 21sf, equal rights?
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