The Current Oil Situation Is Becoming Our Nightmare And Obama's Legacy

Agreed, except it was truly extraordinary that all the redundant systems in place to prevent such a disaster failed simultaneously. The location of the leaks is pretty bizarre as well.

Deep water drilling is going to be crucial in being able to give the Middle East the middle finger. Never mind “energy independence,” that’s a pipe dream. Deep water wells everywhere from the coast of Brazil to the Gulf will be important to reasonable energy costs in the future.

As soon as I discover a better solution I’ll retire.:cool:

And guys let’s not forget the lives lost here. Good men died trying to stop this thing before it was too late.

the Coast Guard was on the scene almost immediately. And yes, they did have a plan for this exact scenario.

Drill baby, drill!

Doing a collective nothing.

Really? Please tell me which companies are drilling in the Gulf that you speak of?

Thompkin’s22 you are the only one that is speaking with even a semblance of knowledge on the subject, and it is good to have a roughneck on board here.

People don’t understand the enormity of the situation, and the complexity of the failure that took place. It is easy to look at this like Valdez and shake fingers at this company, that administration, ext. However in the case of Valdez you had human error, a gross error that changed the largest, most profitable corporation on the planets entire operating structure as a result. In the case of the Horizon you had an extraordinary failure, that like you mentioned caused all of the fail safes to go out at the same time, not to mention the accident itself, the depth of the well.

People on here are complaining about how BP and the feds weren’t prepared for this, and that ext. But what they are failing to see is that they were prepared, but their preparations failed due to unseen variables at the time. How then, is this human error beyond a lack of experience? You can’t plan for something you can not, given all of your collective knowledge as an industry, foresee happening.

The fact that people are reacting in such a way shows that they can’t even understand the complexity of the situation.

I have read after action reports from this published by the largest drillers in the world. Every company is thinking, every company is working towards solving this right now. And to tell you the truth, cutting ANY of them out, especially BP would be the biggest folly this country could do in this situation. As you stated it will cut out massive amounts of money, time, and most importantly experts from the process. But also, and this is the most important thing for the nay sayers here: it will also give BP a legal argument to attempt to walk away from any lawsuits, or fines that will result. Even if negligence is found on the part of BP, or Halliburton, their argument to avoid lawsuits could simply be: We had a plausible solution in place to deal with the fall out, and then the government cut us out of the equation, therefore we are not liable, and it is ultimately the governments fault that the spill got so bad.

No one wants that.

Such action would also cut out BP’s competitors from contributing to the clean up of this spill, and would ultimately make the entire industry more brazen if they know the government is going to bail them out and take over the clean up. Most people out of the industry don’t realize that some of the largest innovations in regards to oil spill clean up came as a result of Valdez. This was due to the pressure placed on Exxon by the government, and the combined efforts of government and business to solve the problem. While Valdez was ugly, several spills since have been less so, AND the Horizon spill would be far worse if the steps made with Valdez never took place.

On that note, I would like to say that the industry is well aware of the ramifications of this spill, and many companies are pooling resources. Clean up on this magnitude can’t happen over night, and the last thing we need are knee jerk reactions that stop people or slow people from doing their job. Here is a for release published statement from BP’s largest competitor (please be respectful with this):

The following statement was released today:

    Statement by ExxonMobil Regarding the BP-Deepwater Horizon

Incident - April 30, 2010

ExxonMobil is providing assistance in the form of personnel and equipment
to support efforts in the Gulf of Mexico.

“We are all reminded of the need to be ever vigilant in the area of safety
and environmental protection as a result of this tragic incident,” said Rex
W. Tillerson, chairman and chief executive officer.

“Our thoughts go out to the workers and their families and to people in the
impacted areas. We will work with industry and government to help mitigate
the impacts of this incident. We stand ready to support efforts to
determine how such an incident can be prevented from happening again."

ExxonMobil has offered the use of a drilling rig as a staging base, two
supply vessels, an underwater vehicle and support vessel and has provided
experts to respond to BP’s request for technical advice on blowout
preventers, dispersant injection, well construction and containment
options.

The company also continues to support the work of Tier 3 spill response and
cleanup cooperatives, such as Marine Spill Response Corporation, Clean
Gulf, and Oil Spill Response Ltd., to provide personnel and equipment, such
as dispersants, fire boom and radios. ExxonMobil is also identifying,
procuring and manufacturing additional supplies of dispersant for potential
use.

I know how hard this is for all of us, I lived through Valdez and it directly effected my family. All the emotions we feel now were felt then. That clean up didn’t happen over night, and this one wont either. But the clean up will happen.

And if you have true deep seated emotions that fill you with nothing more then anger and loathing towards the government and these companies, then DONT DRIVE, don’t heat your house with gas, don’t use plastic anything, don’t go to a hospital, and sell your M4 and all of your PMAGS, because you provided the market that drove for this exploration. Because of this market 11 families lost loved ones, and a million others were effected by the fallout.

A former nuclear submarine officer has an interesting take on this.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-16/nuke-the-oil-spill/

Do some research online and you’ll find out. China has been partnering with Mexico, African countries, Brazil, Argentina, Iraq, and other nations for oil exploration. The main state-owned company in China, China National Offshore Oil Company (CNOOC), has been buying up futures, contracts, and partnering with anybody and everybody they can. Do your own research on things like their partnerships with companies like Statoil, Bridas, and the nations themselves. Russia has been doing the same thing. There is a lot more oil in the world than people realize, but tapping into it will be one of the interesting challenges of this century.

Most modern war and conflict is not about land or people, but about natural resource management (oil, coal, water, minerals, etc.). Both China and Russia realize this and this is why they are exploring everywhere they possibly can and partnering with everybody they possibly can. It is more productive and cheaper to just buy the rights to everything ahead of time than fight costly and time consuming wars over it.

Tomorrow is scheduled d-day to stop the flow…i can’t wrap my head around the idea of pumping concrete down to such depths with such great temp changes(albeit a special mix i’m sure).

This is no easy task and is estimated to have a 70% chance of plugging the well…just like the dam coffers, it simply has never been tried in an application like this.

This whole deal was a train wreck. Govt did not have the booms they were required to have on hand & all the other greedy companies all over the world started buying up available booms for their own unlikely spill instead of letting bp have dibs to deal with the crisis at hand. Instead of jumping through hoops on day one and making the berms of sand to block the crap from getting to the marshes, they wanted to ‘study’ the effects.

Virtually all marine life in the gulf is tied to the LA marshes / Miss delta…it’s a tough one to swallow with no easy answers but some really bonehead politics stood in the way early on.

many smart noggins wanted to blow up the well but the fear of making it worse was too great…that would be tough to sign off on.

You’re correct. Especially the emboldened portion.

Are you actually stating that they were not obliged to have prepared for this worst case scenario? I think you are, which is rather astounding. Then you call the rest of us clueless on the subject for not also implicating such utter nonsense? Have you ever heard of accountability?

Both this country and BP have evidently failed to prepare for the situation that has and could always have transpired as a direct result of their operations. That’s on both of them, but it will be our problem as a nation in the long run.

And to state that we should no longer drive or own AR’s due to someone else’s poor judgment on drilling at 5,000 feet is ludicrous. You speak as though drilling at that depth is the only viable option to obtain oil.

Anyone who believes, “Socialism not Capitalism”, is an ignorant imbecile, imo. It scares me that people with that level of discernment actually vote.

  1. Obama accepted more in campaign contributions from BP than any other presidential candidate.
  2. At a recent Senate committee hearing, Coast Guard Commandant Thad Allen said officials never anticipated the need to do so much so fast to plug the leak, disperse the oil and protect shorelines.
  3. The government is ineffectual and disorganized as it pressures BP to produce internal data about the oil spill or second-guesses the type and amount of dispersant BP should use to break up the spilled oil.
  4. If there had been a well-devised industry-government response plan in place, then these spats would not be taking place.
  5. The EPA, which approved the use of a dispersant called Corexit 9500, now claims BP shouldn’t use it because the agency’s tests show it to be toxic to certain types of sea life. When did the government know this? If it is indeed dangerous, why is it even allowed?
  6. Despite President Barack Obama’s announced moratorium on offshore oil drilling permits, hundreds of projects have received waivers, with at least six going to projects operating at greater and more problematic depths than the Deepwater Horizon rig.
  7. Long-term public support for offshore drilling should not be jeopardized by short-term carelessness and weak excuses.

Instead of a nuclear weapon why not a big big bomb like a MOAB? Explosions under water carry more concussive force. I do not see why a nuclear weapon would be a choice. Just drop several tons of conventional explosive and be done with it.

As for the spill hurting the POTUS. I think it is one of many things, and given the fact the EPA told the clean up effort to cease using the chemical they use for these things is not going to look good too boot.

Tuesday, May 25, 2010
As Oil Gushes, Government is AWOL
By David Asman

This is something you don’t hear much from Scoreboard, but where the hell is the federal government?

We’re talking about the oil spill in the Gulf. We really can’t believe that the federal government is leaving so much of it in the hands of the folks who got us into this mess, BP Plc (BP: 41.9896, 0.0596, 0.14%).

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said of the company over the weekend: “If we find they’re not doing what they’re supposed to be doing, we’ll push them out of the way appropriately.” This is absurd. Of course they’re not doing what they’re supposed to be doing. If they were doing what they’re supposed to be doing, the oil wouldn’t be washing up on the shore right now.

Right from the beginning of this thing, the federal government should have moved ships and equipment and personnel into the Gulf to contain the spill. Instead, they’ve been leaving it up to BP.

“It’s BP’s problem,” we keep hearing. But it’s our coastline, and it’s our fishing grounds that are getting spoiled. All the feds seem to be worrying about is who’ll get the blame. But when you’re fighting a fire, you send out all the fire trucks first and find out who’s to blame later.

We understand the difficulties of stopping a leak at 5,000 feet underwater. We get that. These are new engineering challenges that haven’t been tackled before. But we’ve been dealing with oil spills for decades. The technologies of cleaning oil are not new. It’s not rocket science. They even have super tankers that have experience in the Persian Gulf in sopping up oil in sea water.

But none of this is cheap. It does take a massive federal effort to sop up the oil. And we haven’t seen that. Why? What’s stopping a full throttle federal effort to clean this thing up? What really infuriates us is that we’ve seen the feds spend trillions of our dollars in a panic over the last two years on very questionable intangibles, like a jobs program that didn’t work and a bank bailout that helped Wall Street bankers make record profits. But the oil spill is a very tangible problem, something that you can literally get your hands on, and yet, we’re seeing a federal whimper in response, and an infantile blame game.

It’s time to grow up. It’s time to send in the Navy, the Marines and any other serious group that is accustomed to taking on tough missions. It’s also time to override the federal regulations that are hampering folks in the Gulf from their efforts to construct sand berms and other means to keep the oil away.

Gov. Bobby Jindal has had his requests for these berms refused for two weeks by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to build these berms. It’s time to clear away the red tape. There’ll be plenty of time for the blaming and the law suits later.

Right now it’s time to help the people in the Gulf start sopping this stuff up.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/government/oil-gushes-government-awol/

I laugh at how the media refers to it as a “spill”. :confused:

You guys notice the gas prices drop?

Here in Southeast MI, I’ve seen about a full 25 cent decrease in the past couple of weeks. Went from around $2.90 to $2.65 per gallon unleaded.

A lot of that is because summer is here now. Production of heating oil decreases while production of gasoline increases.

especially when you can dump USD reserves in order to get hard and real assets.

You are correct, I missed your point, which I totally agree with. The govt. is waiting for BP to take care of the gulf and its really looking like that’s not BP’s first concern.
I’m hoping Governor Jindel steps up in Louisiana and hits the mess with everything he’s got, then sues the hell out of BP to recoup their moneys.

There is nothing the government can do, post “spill.” The government’s responsibility was prior to authorizing the drilling permit and then to monitor and inspect periodically thereafter. This includes mandating preventative measures, verifying fail-safe mechanisms are in place and functioning, approving plans to mitigate a spill if it happens, contingency disaster plans, etc.

The federal government has zero expertise, equipment, or knowledge with regard to stopping or cleaning up an oil spill. It rely’s on BP because it there is no alternative!

From the Press Briefing by Press Secretary Robert Gibbs and Admiral Thad Allen:
Q “Is there – to this point, though, whether the government can do more, can it push BP out of the way if it feels like that company is not doing the job? What is your response to that?”

ADMIRAL ALLEN: “Well, to push BP out of the way would raise the question to replace them with what?”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/press-briefing-press-secretary-robert-gibbs-admiral-thad-allen-and-assistant-presid

BTW, Russia has used nuclear weapons approximately two dozen times, five times specifically to stop oil disasters, since the sixties for various “environmental” reasons.

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0504/russian-paper-suggests-nuclear-explosion-cut-gulf-oil-geyser/