Anybody know any details about this? I haven’t had an issue with mine, I am not at the 3000rd. mark yet, but I know there are members who are way past that point.
Bad Batch?
"The Texas Department of Public Safety stopped issuing and training with the recently acquired M&P9 pistols from Smith & Wesson.
Texas DPS picked up 120 of the M&P9 pistols with the intent of issuing them to the current recruit class that began training in January. However, the Texas Tribune reported that feeding and ejection issues, combined with “slight movement” in the guns caused agency to pull the weapons and issue older SIG P226 pistols.
The Texas Tribune does not explain the slight movement other than to say is was measured at less than 10 microns (0.01mm) and could affect accuracy. The paper does say the movement developed after the firing of about 3,000 rounds.
It does not appear that the Texas DPS released any quantitative data on the number of malfunctions experienced, nor if the problems were with only specific guns or with a certain kind of ammunition."
While I am aware of this story, I don’t have any info regarding the failures. I’ll be watching this thread though as an M&P has been on my list of firearms to consider purchasing. With so many favorable user experiences I have to think this is an isolated incident.
I do want to know more about this “slight movement”, that terminology is painfully vague. I want to know what part or parts interface is experiencing this “movement” and their methods for taking such precise measurements.
I do believe you’re correct. That definitely sounds like a journalist error. I can’t imagine what other “slight” movement would develop after 3000 rounds fired… LOL… 10 microns of drift on your front or rear sight would definitely affect accuracy. Maybe someone forgot to loctite something at the factory.
Sorry if I offend, but S&W should stick to revolvers. The last S&W auto I liked was the 6906.
Must be something in the water. The Pennsylvania State Police has just recently suspended the use of their Glock 21s. The Troopers are authorized to carry whatever they want until they transition to another handgun.
They did not suspend the use of the Glock 21, however they are allowing the troopers to choose another firearm of their own for duty use until the malfunction related issues until they are resolved. This came from a good authority. In my opinion Glock was always at it’s best in 9mm.
The factory ones, if left as they come out of the box, probably do.
I was able to acquire a G22 that had been used for police duty. The front night sight was staked and the rear sight appeared to have been Loctited. The tritium was very dim so it was time for new sights. It wasn’t too hard to take them off because I have the right tools for changing sights, but they would have withstood considerable knocking around before loosening. Some things like this need to be squared a way by the department armorers; in this case, they were.
You’re correct in that they’re not “disallowing” the use of the G21, but they’re not resolving anything with Glock either. They tried to fix the issue, and it continued to persist. The PSP is switching to either an M&P or SIG. That is from my PSP buddy who I shoot with at my house on a regular basis. He’s a gun guy, too, so he has more of an interest in this than the non-gun people he works with.
I personally have a hard time believing that the issues are as widespread as they’re making it out to be. He’s never had a problem with the 21 in his hands, and neither have I.
They had a fair amount of issues with the .45 GAP and they went back to the same well for more. Glock has had a fair amount of issues with both their .40’s and .45’s in the past. I have a Gen 2 17 and 19 both dating from 1989 and 1990 and I’ve had BTF from both. Other than that they are issue free. I’m not knocking the Glock or the M&P but my opinion is that Glock didn’t sort out problems enough before guns went to market i.e. just scale it up our down it’s a Glock and both platforms are suffering from the bottom line $. It also looks like neither manufacture wants to admit they put out pistols with problems.
Word is the PSP issues were very widespread. Also, the guns either worked or didn’t with the issues either there from the outset or the guns functioned fine.
I suspect that there is a miscommunication somewhere. If the complaint is genuine, the guy doing the measuring might not be properly assessing the problem or is measuring it in the wrong place. If the user is actually seeing things move at arms length, its probably on the order of .010 inches or more. If I were to speculate, I’d say its slide moving laterally on the frame.
Don’t count on the journalist to sort this out. Error analysis is not normally a reporter’s strong suit. -Not slamming reporters, its not part of their curricula.
So their worried about .01mm, but not about new recruits forgetting to decock before holstering, having to learn two trigger methods, and the lefty shooters having to deal with a non ambidextrous design of a gun?I can think of numerous instances where the Sig might put an officer or those surrounding him in possible danger. Ok, but seems like there’s more to this story.
