http://now.msn.com/tennessee-legislature-considers-arming-teachers-to-prevent-school-shootings
WOW!! At least one state get’s it. I’ve been saying this for years,ever since Columbine. Now we just need 49 more to get on board.
I like this idea
but the leftest will never bite on it.
Bitchin’.
This isn’t a well thought out idea…moreover it’s a knee jerk reaction to the recent events imho.
1.) Expecting teachers to effectively engage an armed threat in incredibly dynamic environments with copious amounts of friendlies around seems far fetched to me.
2.) Lots of teachers will refuse to carry a firearm in their classes, whether it be for political reasons, or quite simply because they are scared to.
Let’s keep teachers teaching…and let’s leave the security aspects to true security professionals.
Shouldn’t be mandatory but set some basic requirements, and tell the police to stop writing traffic tickets for a few days to setup a class for teachers and have them get a CCW.
Teachers that don’t want to don’t have to do, and expand it out to other school staff. My kids school has people who are ‘helpers’ and just float around all day when they are needed. I know one who would carry at the school, and since they aren’t pegged to being in one class all day are in a good position to respond to stuff.
Concealed gun bill for teachers filed in Mo.
Updated: Dec 19, 2012 3:49 PM CST
More than two dozen Missouri lawmakers are backing legislation that would allow teachers and administrators with concealed gun permits to carry weapons in schools . We have more than 2 dozen lawmakers backing this. I can’t figure out how to post the link. The thing is over half of the teachers where I went and my kids go to school now already have there CCW.
You would have been 120% right, back in the 50’s. Now a days I’m not so sure. The big problem is there is NO securtiy in schools,not the type that’s needed or wants to be had. Yea I know sometimes they have an LEO sitting in his cruiser for an hour or two,but it’s NOT enough. Also so there’s no confusion, I’m not saying all teachers need to be armed but at least some adiministrative staff would be okay with me.
I’m 60% with you, but I see this as a good approach. If I was a teacher, I would see it as my responsibility to safeguard my pupils.
no ones saying give every teacher a gun, just let the ones who hold CHLs carry. Anyways how the heck is this any different than carrying elsewhere, the school isnt some magic zone where the rules dont apply.
At this point one to two trained, discrete CCW teachers per school might be sensible and is certainly warranted. But to accept this as a future standard is simplistic and demeaning to us all.
It’s both unfortunate and somewhat confusing to see that many would so earnestly accept lesser options when we can stand against many of the real societal threats as a group.
I view it as an option for teachers/staff who want to, and have a desire to do so.
I view it along the lines of…‘if kids used to be able to take a gun with them to hunt after shool’ whats wrong with a principle having an AR or shotgun or pistol in their office? Or 1 or 2 teachers in a school having something in their desk?
Certainly not an answer to this issue, in its entirety, but it would at least give a school somewhat of a fighting chance against these types of incidents. Certainly far better than just tredging up another AWB which had no effect on crime, and we’ve been dealing the liberal interpretation of things for far too long as it is. CT already has an AWB.
And we need to be pushing an opposing view as far as we can. Our side is so dysfunctional its no wonder we are getting run over on these issues. The democrat side is full of indians and the right side is full of chiefs who can’t agree on anything.
The day that this happened, I posted this on my FB wall and got a lot of agreeing parents that feel at arming the school, be it with instructors or LEO/Mall Blart is something that we absolutely should do.
I’m an advocate allowing teachers that desire it, to go through formal training for the allowance to conceal carry in the schools. I’ve heard it suggested that teachers should not, but that an armed security guard would be better.
I say no. Teachers are educated. We entrust our children to them. If an unknown number of instructors were armed and trained, a school would no longer be a gun free target for nut jobs. No shooter goes to a known nest of armed combatants to commit these acts. Instead they look for easy targets.
When my child is with me, they are protected by me, and my firearm if need be. While at home, out to see a movie, at a restaurant, at Wal-Mart. My child and my wife are worthy of this personal level of protection outside of the school, are they not also worthy of it while in school?
Placing a sign or sticker on the school for does nothing to enhance the security if your children. Having an equally armed protector does in fact give your loved one a fighting chance.
I suspect that in any school, there are a number of instructors that if given the option, would take the training and be willing to take on the burden of being his brothers keeper.
A school should not be a target. Our children should not be easy targets for evil. If you want to care for my child, finish the job and take the responsibility and care for them as their own patent would. With your life if need be, and by any means necessary.
Since my daughter started kindergarten this year, I have felt it incredibly absurd every time I’ve gone to school and had to disarm. Look, here’s a building with a few hundred small children and a bunch of adults with no way to protect themselves against people walking in any of the unlocked doors on this campus. Hell, half the time when I go in the “check in computer” for visitors is down and I just get waved on through the office - no ID check or nothing.
I wouldn’t mandate that teachers carry, I would much rather see the state/federal laws creating gun free zones go away. The solution is less regulation, not more regulation to fix previous bad legislation.
The high concentration of children makes the school a different environment than your typical home, vehicle, or ATM self-defense encounter. It does require a higher level of training - difficult, but not impossible. Look at the training that Air Marshals go through due to the high concentration of friendly targets.
There is also the fear that some teacher would do something really dumb like leave a weapon unsecured in their desk or on the back of a toilet after taking a deuce (remember Romney’s USSS detail that left a weapon in an airplane bathroom). Then, there was the brilliant DEA agent who put one through his leg in front of a classroom full of kids during show-and-tell. Public mistakes like these by “trained” professionals make school counsels jumpy when it comes to arming teachers.
I have had the opportunity to speak with a few teachers, assistant principals and principals from a few elementary, middle and high schools in my area (South Florida). All of them are in favor of receiving whatever proper training necessary that would allow them to carry a firearm. I thought they would actually say the opposite. I was very surprised and would support it if it would fly.
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why is it that people agree with CCW at large but go shy when it’s mentioned in conjunction with schools? are teachers some type of subclass of human that can’t be trusted with a gun when everyone else can? do they deserve to have their right of self-defense stripped because they work with children?
I have always thought this type of legislation is a good idea. it’s not necessary that every teacher be armed but just the idea that some of them “might” be armed will give most of these attackers pause.
what we have seen are not Beslan type assaults. these are mentally ill individuals with an agenda. with the majority of these types of attacks occurring in gun-free zones we can see the mindset of the attackers. the are cowards. they do not want resistance and in most cases that I have seen, once they are resisted, they take their own lives.
I don’t think the solution is compulsory arming of every teacher but the ones who want it and bear a CCW license and are willing to go through training and adhere to safety restrictions should be allowed to carry, for their own personal safety, if nothing else…
I am a teacher. I am also a CCWer that meets our states “enhanced” requirements. (Theoretically I am legally allowed to carry on school grounds; it is my terms of employment that prevents it.) I also practice religiously and seek professional training when I can afford it.
There are a ton of considerations with school security. My school would need an infantry platoon to prevent a serious armed shooter from coming in, some are much better laid out. Do you have enough teachers willing to go through some serious training and qualifications? Who is going to provide the training? I have seen some locals shoot, and compared to what I do it’s a joke. (I admit that I am an exception to the norm.) Pinkerton style mall cops would be far worse that a few dedicated armed teachers.
There is a lot to consider here, and every school has different considerations, but I’m glad this is on the table.
My personal largest concern would be better concealment. It’s easy to go about your normal business and keep a gun hidden. But if 30 kids are going to be staring at you all day long, it’s a good bit more difficult.
I understand. but the idea that a teacher(s) is armed might be enough to deter some of the nut cases we are seeing.
also, I thought about this and I would be comfortable with a gun kept in a secured locker, desk, or handgun vault. it doesn’t necessarily need to be carried all the time. while this would not be ideal, it would certainly be better than nothing.
and sure, I see more objections to safety but there are always solutions when people are motivated to find them rather than point them out…
Texas Town Allows Teachers to Carry Guns
Oklahoma has a proposal…
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-legislator-says-teachers-need-option-to-carry-guns-at-school/article/3738396
McCullough pledged to introduce legislation in the upcoming session to allow principals and teachers who go through training to be able to carry firearms on school property.