My FFL dealer just told me not to get a typical trust but an NFA Trust. He said it was a different from trusts most make. He gave me an attorney that sets them up. Are there questions i should ask the attorney to see if it’s just some typical trust? I plan on making a short barrelled 300 blk with a can on it.
Thanks.
The two ‘nfa’ trusts I’ve seen done by ‘gun trust’ lawyers are just standard boilerplate trusts with a bit of nfa focused wording added. Things regarding posession and usage of NFA weapons, etc.
Contact David Goldman of the Apple Law Firm.
This is one of his specialties, and he is the best in the field.
http://www.jacksonvillelawyer.pro/lawyer-attorney-1315473.html
Going with the Apple Law Firm, you are guaranteed to have a top-of-the-line trust, and some of the best legal support should the trust be called into question in the future.
If you go through an attorney that doesn’t understand firearms law, you are much more likely to have your trust found invalid by ATF at some point down the road, and therefore would be in possession of illegally transferred/held NFA weapons, which is not a good thing…
Really, it is a no brainer…
This is the precise reason that you should not use a trust written up by some local lawyer. You want a highly credible firm that specializes in the field, and understands all the ins and outs of the law to write up your trust, or you will end up with a finished document that is not done correctly, and increases your chances of having legal issues later on.
My recent dealings with a local ‘gun trust’ lawyer were less than savory. Here is a breakdown of what happened:
That was two weeks ago and he hasn’t made any attempt to get back to me. A friend of mine has a suppressor with a trust from the same lawyer without any issues, but I don’t really want to roll the dice. At this point I’m not sure what to do with it, I may contact this Apple Law Firm and see if I could email it to them to check out.
Bottom line - don’t go with some rinky-dink lawyer that thinks they know what they are doing. It has cost me a lot of time and potentially more money.
If anyone in the Armstrong Co, PA area wants the name of the firm that I received this garbage from, send me a PM.
Oof.
In light of the previous post, I’ll share how easy it was for me to set up my Trust.
Called David Goldman at Apple Law Firm (GunTrustLawyer.com) in Jacksonville, FL.
Had a ten-minute conversation with one of Mr. Goldman’s associates, regarding names, location, Co-Trustees, Beneficiaries, etc. I you don’t live in Florida, Mr. Goldman’s firm contracts with a local-ish attorney in your home state to ensure that your state laws are followed in the execution of the Trust.
In 3 days I received my Trust in an email from an attorney in my town. I needed a couple changes done to my original chain of Trustees and Beneficiaries, so the Trust was changed to suit my needs. I then printed the emailed Trust and…
I took my Beneficiary to my bank to sign the Trust and have the signatures witnessed and notarized. Most banks do this at no charge to their customers.
I took the signed copy of the Trust to my local attorney’s office to have it executed. Badda-bing, badda-boom, we’re done.
Total cost: $600. No muss, no fuss, no worries with its legality, and I have the peace of mind knowing it’s done right by a professional.
:help: I’ll trade you experiences haha!
Guess that’s what I get for trying to save a buck. Now I just have the DPMS version of a trust…
Now that is funny:p
What’s funny is my Quicken Trust has been 100%. No fuckstick lawyers screwing me over or anything else.
The Apple Law Firm web page has got a case of grocer’s apostrophe. Usually I don’t nitpick spelling and grammar, but when it comes to shopping for a lawyer it’s hard to justify cutting any slack.
Jacksonville Florida Gun Trust Lawyer works with NFA Trust Lawyer’s in most states.
If you’re going the trust route to avoid CLEO sign-off, wait a bit and that won’t be an issue (as reported by Jeff Zimba from SAR)…
http://www.subguns.com/boards/mgmsg.cgi?read=772656
Jake
Did you just use a standard revocable living trust?
ditto, i dont think using a trust program yourself was wise
This right here should be enough to keep anyone else from using a Quicken Trust…
And this:
http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2010/11/have-nfa-gun-trusts-or-revocab.html
And this:
http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2010/07/gun-store-provides-invalid-tru.html
And this…
I am not a lawyer but… This 100x over. I had a law professor look over my trust (yep for free) and I didn’t tell them it was Quicken Willmaker 2008 version.
And you know what they found??? Nothing! Said it was a great trust and had the “forever clause” that these stupid 'Gun Trust Lawyers" say they need to place in it. QUICKEN ALREADY HAD IT! Hahaha. Stupid Lairs I mean Lawyers. If you really want to know why it is important is that if any part is wrong or whatever that the rest of the trust stays in tact. But these ‘gun trust’ lawyers, who are basically leeches on society totally justified by them trying to pay off $100K in tuition fees, really are full of crap. These guys need to get a life and stop praying on people but because they keep coming up with these stories people actually believe them. These Gun Trust Lawyers are just sleez if you ask me.
I was told that QuickWillmaker 2008 version has the info needed, was told to be sure that whomever is to get your guns is at least 18 years of age and have no felonies so that they can actually possess them. If you really want to be cheap (as I am) you can buy a used copy of Quicken 2008 on Amazon for like $10… just know that the newer versions of Quicken Willmaker/Estate Planners do not include revocable living trusts. Has to be the Willmaker 2008 version as they stopped placing them in there to make you pay more money. Money Money Money baby. That’s the common word of the day I guess.
I am like shitting myself right now as we speak. I mean those infomercial quality Lawyer testimonials are so scary - I am like really shitting myself.
It’s a Revocable Living Trust not some holy grail or symposium covenant.
Waiting on mine as we speak. I have 3 cousins in a firm together. They contacted a Phila firm and worked in conjunction.
My problem is every single thing that I have read that says not to do it yourself always ends up at that website. No one else has ever came out and said they were screwed by a quicken trust. The only thing I have found is trusts with no beneficiaries making them invalid. IMO they are all over the internet trying to scare people into paying $600 for their trust. It doesn’t help that with them you are paying 2 lawyers, them and whoever they refer you to. If your not comfortable doing it without a lawyer, fine, that’s your choice and they probably do a decent trust, but no thanks. I’m not a lawyer so don’t listen to me, but they aren’t getting my money.
Agreed.
Quicken 2008 user, here. I asked a local ‘gun enthusiast’ lawyer and he wanted well over 1K, which I thought was cost prohibitive. I would have applied as an individual if there weren’t so many extra hoops to jump and having to do it again for each NFA item you get. Trust seemed much more feasible and Quicken was more user friendly than a lawyer visit IMO. This was just my experience, not trying to give advice or legal opinions.
Yeah, all these idiots that actually think paperwork might be important…
I guess Evan Nappen, a nationally recognized firearms law attorney is just blowing smoke when he says that Goldman is the guy for getting trusts done correctly…