Firstly, kudos to IWI for bringing this to market. My money was thing becoming just becoming so much vaporware like the Masada. That said, the price is still too high when compared to a quality AR.
None the less, if you want a bullpup or a paperwork free SBR it would seem the TAVOR is the only game in town.
Can anyone provide a long term test report? A quality AR can run flawlessly well past 10k rounds of hard use. How is the TAVOR holding up out there?
Miculek recently acquired one, keep an eye out im sure he will run a lot of rounds through his.
Wow, thanks. I am huge Miculek fan. He has a bunch of videos on this. I will have to spend some time wading through them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDMWManOUII
Christ on a crutch - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjx4KSKHIC4 and this guy is in his 60’s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-JNWvcrcFk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQEwGTmg-MQ El Presidente says “Si”
Quite the endorsement.
I am told LAV has a TacTV review. Does anyone have a link?
All the same, I am interested in the long term durability of the Tavor. For me, the AR is a known quantity. I know it’s points of failure.
Have you forgotten about the Steyr AUG?
Ah, no. No I haven’t.
But everyone that has a choice uses something else. I have worked with too many Australians for me to be interested in the AUG.
Besides, aftermarket support and spare parts are an issue. That is why I want input on the long term durability of the Tavor.
Plus the prices have started to come down on these.
I wouldn’t base everything on Australian AUGs.
I had some concern over AUG parts supplies before I got one, so I watched how that situation was.
To name just one vendor, Pete Athens has had AUG parts since the AUG came here in the early 80s. I was watching his site before the AUG A3 was sold here, and he kept most parts in stock even then. Later, during the panic of a year ago, he always had most parts, and certainly more than AR parts places. If I had any remaining concerns there, they went away when I called to order some mags during the panic, and he told me he had a minimum order while every other magazine supplier had a max limit if they had any at all.
How is parts supply for AUGs a concern but not for the Tavor that hasn’t been sold here a year yet?
Too high for what? Its the same price as all the other bullpups give or take a few hundred. Ar’s are mangnitudes easier and cheaper to make, especialy when everyone and their mother makes componets. $2K for a high quality, low production gun with the features of the Tavor is a bargin. If you can’t afford to play the game, then say so. The price is fine where it is (and can be had even cheaper from Atlantic for around $1700).
Not the only game in town. The Aug has been around for about 40 years, and is a very proven platform. There a couple other civy pups but most aren’t produced in enough numbers to really matter.
The gun hasn’t even been out a year. A Tavor will flawlessly well past 10K rounds of hard use… what is your point? Any quality gun should be able to.
You make way too many assumtions on both the AR and the Tavor.
Go out, buy one, and run it hard and let us know how it works.
- Too high for what?
Too high when compared to an AR. A quality AR can be had for $1000-1200. At $1700 the Tavor is not 60% better than the AR. It has a handy form factor which is the only reason I am interested in one. I am hoping the price will continue to drop and below $1500 they have my interest. The longer they are in production the better the chances I can find one used for an even bigger bargain.
$2K for a high quality, low production gun with the features of the Tavor is a bargin.
Low production means limited spare parts. Not really the sort of thing I can justify paying a premium for.
If you can’t afford to play the game, then say so.
Ok, pointless internet call out. Sort of par for the course for kids you age. Not really sure what you are adding to the conversation here.
- Not the only game in town. The Aug has been around for about 40 years, and is a very proven platform.
That is not what the guys I have worked with in the Australian SAS have told me but maybe you know something they don’t. In any event I am interested in a rifle I can actually own at a reasonable price.
- The gun hasn’t even been out a year.
Again, not something to be excited about. The AR has been around since the 60’s and is the known quantity here. In the gun world novel is not something to crow about - proven and reliable is. But, I am more than willing to keep an open mind about the Tavor. That is why I posed the question.
A Tavor will flawlessly well past 10K rounds of hard use…
Do you have such a gun? Because that is what I would really like to hear about - not your typical interwebs speculation. The M4C prides it’s self on first hand reporting.
You make way too many assumtions on both the AR and the Tavor.
I have had an AR in my hands all of my adult life (over 20 years). I have fired thousands of rounds through them. I have done most every kind of shooting with them. For me the AR is second nature. It is almost and extension of my hand. I know how to use it instinctively. I am pretty sure I am not making any assumptions about the AR. Now, I don’t have an axe to grind against the Tavor, I am just looking for some first hand reporting.
Go out, buy one, and run it hard and let us know how it works.
I am not really interested in Beta testing a $1700 rifle. At that price I can build one AR and be almost finished building a second AR.
Considering you are going to pay around $1000-$1100 for a colt then you are likely going to change the rail, and make several other mods to it, even reasonably priced quality ARs easily get into $1500 range pretty quick. Tavor is pretty much what you get out of the box… not much in the way of mods can really be done to it (though there are some, and I’ve done a couple)but you are comparing it to an AR like colt which is fine… but when you consider this is the length of around an 11" SBR… how much are you going to pay with tax stamp for a quality SBR? my guess is that it ends up right around the same price
Aussies don’t use an AUG. They use a home rolled F88 which is way short of Steyr specifications. Not liking the AUG because the F88 is kinda a POS is like not liking the Colt M4 because Olympic Arms makes a shitty one.
[QUOTE=Armati;1863135] SNIP
Then what are you bitching about? What is the point of your post… just to complain about things that NO one, including father time has any control over.
“WHAAA its too expensive”…Good then Don’t buy one
“WHAAA it hasn’t been out long enough”… Goood Dont buy one
“WHAAA there aren’t alot of spares” Well no shit, parts don’t just mircicle themselves into existance. When EVERY rifle they can make is sold, usualy there won’t be an excess of parts. Are parts breaking? Can you show me where there is a need for them RIGHT now?
The aussie dont use a Steyr (F88, as was already pointed out), and Special Operations units don’t use the typical service rifles. Brits, Aussies, and most first world nations use the M4 as their Spec ops weapons. The Aussies I chilled with when I was in IRaq had no complaints about their rifles. I would much rather be lugging a F88 than a M16A2 mixalot musket.
So again, what is the point of your post to bitch and moan about a weapon still in it’s infantacy and compare it to a mature, 50+ year old design?
I have a tavor around the 7XXX SN range. Do you even own one? or like you said, are you talking about something you have no experince with?
Thanks for the tip on the F88. I did not know that.
All the same, back end support for the AUG in this country is pretty spotty.
Again, I am not trying to run down the Tavor. I am simply looking for first hand input on high round count rifles.
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The IDF has been doing “durability” tests on this gun for a while now.
You can typically pick them up for around $1700-$1800. Knowing what Distr. pricing is, you won’t see them much below this price unless IWI lowers their price (not likely). So if you are waiting for it to get down to $1100-$1200, I think you will be waiting a very long time.
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Spot on. Parts availability has not been an issue. Pete Athens has had ample stock, including during the years that no AUGs were being imported for civilians. Now we have (relatively) cheap spare CHF barrels, 9mm conversion kits, the A3, the upcoming A3M1.
Great analogy, Steyr.
I’ve had mine since they first hit the shores and I’ve let 5 or 6 other youtubers use it for videos. Round count is probably around 5-7k at this point which isn’t a ton but it’s a data point. Still going strong. Only malfunctions it’s had to date are with some soft point ammo and user error (left handers putting their face over the ejection port causing a FTE).
Ouch! 
I’m also not seeing the point of coming to the “Other Semi-Automatic Rifles” forum and then getting on a point by point soap box about how your M4 is better and cheaper. Isn’t that for the M4 forum?
Side Note: just noticed they changed the name of this forum