Tall Tales & Truth Stranger Than Fiction

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Throughout my entire childhood, I heard the story from various people of a well-known local family whose last name was “Hogg”. Supposedly, they named one daughter “Ima” and the other daughter “Ura”.

I was never able to verify this story from any source. I called BS every time I heard it. Everyone swore it was true.

Perhaps you’ve heard of the Victorio Peak treasure?

https://www.legendsofamerica.com/victorio-peak-treasure/

A pair of authors, John Clarence and Tom Whittle, wrote a definitive three-volume set (now available for e-book reading only) detailing how the story was not only true, but how our government was probably behind the ultimate disposition (read: theft) of the treasure even though Ova Noss had a legitimate claim to the findings.

http://www.victoriopeak.com/

Since my dad worked at White Sands Missile Range (where Victorio Peak is located), John Clarence interviewed him for the book series due to my dad’s knowledge of what happened. There have been some mysterious deaths associated with certain individuals who “knew too much”. My dad has been deceased for nearly 10 years so it’s unlikely anyone cares anymore what he revealed.

If you watch the movie “Cash” with Sean Bean and Chris Hemsworth, read the closing credits. You will read that “Glenn the Plumber” was played by Glenn Plummer.

If you watch the Greek myth portion of the movie “Fantasia” you may not know that some of it was edited from the original version to get rid of racial stereotypes: namely the “black” centaurs seem to be subservient to the others. Remember this movie was made in 1940. The only remnant of this “edit” in the version you will see on your Blu Ray copy is that some of the scenery in one of the scenes appears to move–allegedly to cover up a black centaur in a subservient position.

The racist theme of King Kong.

Just so you know I didn’t make this up, here is a link:

http://raceandkingkong.blogspot.com/

Remember, the original came out in 1933. A lot of people believe the original concept reflects society’s rejection of a black man being with a white woman.

Will you ever see King Kong the same again?

That’s all for now. I will post more interesting tall tales and truth stranger than fiction as I think of it.

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Ima Hogg is real, Ura is not, as Ima only had brothers.

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I was actually talking about a supposedly local family, but that lady may have been the inspiration for a bullshit story.

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We have some Hoggs locally, I heard a similar story, never checked into it. I always thought is was a horrible name…and wondered if they were any relation to the Piggs…

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Gotcha. No clue what your location is, so can’t help you there. The famous Hogg family is local to me.

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I used to work with a guy who was a Marine in Vietnam.

He claimed that during a particular firefight he felt a soft impact of “something” on his chest and he immediately reached up to catch an AK47 bullet in his hand. He had been just out of range of it doing any damage.

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Off the hip, Oak Island treasure.

I believe that the location discovered in the 1700’s was once used as a repository for something epic but not’s it’s final resting place. People are still digging there all these centuries later. Lives and fortunes have been lost trying to find it.

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It’s been a while since I tried it, but I believe you can Google “which reality shows are fake” and that one comes right up. Good for the Tall Tales part of this thread.

Here ya go:

  1. FAKE(ISH) – THE CURSE OF OAK ISLAND
    curse of oak island history channel 9 Fakest History Channel Reality Shows (And 6 That Are Totally Real)
    The Curse of Oak Island constitutes a show that is based on real events and accounts, but fabricated with inconsistent stories and long, drawn-out drama.

The basic premise is that Oak Island contains treasure. For over 221 years, many treasure-seekers have tried to get the island to cough up its treasure to no avail. In 2006, brothers Rick and Marty bought a stake in the island and started excavating.

The curse is a legend that says seven people must die before the island will release its treasure. Skeptics have stated that many more than seven have died in the island’s history. Also, with the amount of treasure thought to be buried, someone should have found something by now. One of the brothers, Rick, has said, “There’s a story that I want to figure out, and I think that’s the real treasure.”

https://screenrant.com/fakest-history-channel-reality-shows-real/

My take: If there really was a treasure like the one that was stolen by the government from Victorio Peak, it’s long gone.

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No doubt the “History” channel and their show on the matter is fake.

The artifacts found over the centuries are not however. Something was there at one time which makes the legend real.

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Was a ghost caught on film in the movie “Three Men and a Baby?”

https://www.hauntedrooms.co.uk/three-men-and-a-baby-ghost

Almost as soon as the movie was released there was a rumour that there was something a little bit off with one of the scenes in the film, but these rumours stayed relatively quiet until news of the second movie being released broke. There were breaking news stories everywhere about the 3 men and a baby ghost and even more stories flying around about who the ghost was and why he was in the film.

The little boy appears in a scene around an hour into the film with Danson’s character, Ted, and his mother. She’s walking through a room, holding the baby and after she picks him up, they walk together back through the house. A young boy can be seen behind the pair, peering at them from behind a pair of curtains. Stories were circulating everywhere that the young boy was in fact a ghost and that he’d committed suicide by throwing himself from an upper story window. People were incredibly eager to find out the origins of the boy and Americans everywhere felt incredibly sorry for him – just who was he and what drove him to this act? Why did he choose to show himself in this film?

The thinking at the time was that the boy’s parents were absolutely stricken with anguish and grief over his sudden death and quickly moved out of the house following the tragedy, little known to them, leaving behind the spirit of the boy in the huge house, to be alone with his thoughts once more. The studio then took over and made the movie.

Soon after that, however, the theories changed again. There’s a ruffle in the curtains of the scene with the boy, which many people believed was caused by the shape of a rifle that he was holding. Not only that, but in the scene just prior to the one where the boy was visible, one of the characters was holding a rifle. That meant that many people then changed their thinking to believing that the 3 men and a baby ghost had in fact committed suicide using a shotgun and was showing viewers the gun as a way to express his anguish over his death. There were stories everywhere about the boy, and multiple papers were reporting that the boy’s parents were threatening to sue if the movie studio did not remove the images of the young boy. So what happened next?

The truth:

People magazine put out a rather sensational story in 1990 that should have put an end to the stories that were circulating, but for many, that wasn’t quite the end of the three men and a baby ghost legend. Steve Feldstein spoke to the magazine from Touchstone Pictures and said that the young boy that everyone believed to be a ghost was actually a prop that had got cut from the movie, but that had gotten left behind in the scene that everyone was talking about – a mistake on behalf of the editors. It was said to be a cardboard cutout of Ted dressed in a tuxedo involving him being cast in a dog food commercial, but that scene ended up being cut from the movie. The cutout was apparently placed behind the curtains and was simply meant to be a bit of a joke for the crew and cast but it was forgotten about and ended up in the scene, and thus the legend was born.

Many people still didn’t believe the explanation given by the movie studio, simply because the two “beings” – the cardboard cutout and the young boy – don’t look all that similar. Many said that the young boy didn’t have a top hat and that he looked like he was appearing at an entirely different angle to the cardboard cutout, which led numerous people to believe that there was a huge cover-up at play. Plenty of people accepted the explanation of the ghost in 3 men and a baby, however, and just thought that it was a strange tidbit of cinematic history.

Although the cardboard cutout and the young boy undoubtedly look different, there is little evidence to suggest that the three men and a baby ghost legend was true. There was no evidence to suggest that a young boy had committed suicide at that time and in fact, the movie had been shot on a set and not in a house as the rumours had claimed. However, that’s not to say that a haunting had not occurred – we’ve all heard tales of movie set ghosts in the past. So what do you believe? Let us know!

My take: if you look at the pics on my link, the “boy” is a cutout of Ted Danson wearing a top hat. From a distance it looks like a boy hiding in the curtains.

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Another movie “Truth” that is stranger than fiction:

Sexual images hidden in Disney movies:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/12-hidden-sexual-images-in-disney-movies/83782825/

My take: it’s hard to believe all of these are accidental.

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The background to this one is that there is a park around here where you can hike into the desert and see actual dinosaur tracks, fossils, and whatnot. The park is supposedly not large enough for you to see everything, as the prehistoric evidence extends miles out into the desert, or so I’ve heard.

When I worked in law enforcement, my boss claimed that while he was on a hunting trip hiking through this very desert, he came upon a group of dinosaur tracks clearly intersecting the tracks of humans. He claimed that some of them went vertically up a cliff wall, making it very hard for them to have been faked.

Now if this is authentic, the implications for the theory of evolution, the death of the dinosaurs, and the entire history of humanity would be turned on its head. A find like this could potentially be as important as greeting aliens on the White House lawn.

I asked him repeatedly to give me directions to the exact spot. I even pulled out a map to try to pinpoint it. His answer was that he was on foot for several hours during his hunting trip and tried to remember the exact spot, but even upon repeated trips into the area he could never locate those intersecting tracks again.