That lit a lightbulb in my head. Years ago I read a book written by a FBI profiler who worked serial cases, and it was basically the common theme that some sort of abuse by the mother or abuse the mother let happen or turned a blind eye to was a most common occurence with serial killers.
Not saying this guy was abused by the mother but it seems like there’s an obvious connection between this being ‘her’ class and what happened.
I think most people do… but evil seems to surprise them. Everyone gets depressed or has bad spells in their lives or at least knows someone close that it happens to.
Most people never really face evil and it’s not something most would want to spend their time getting to know. So when evil happens it takes a bit to sink in and the brain rejects it so to speak …
Then you have to factor in the news and political agendas where the powers that be can’t protect you against evil so they pass laws against man.
With that in mind… I don’t think any gun rights advocates are going to sell you down the river because you take Prozac. Gun control advocates might try it though.
I think I heard another doctor on TV say nearly the same thing but I just caught the end of it.
Going to the school was to destroy more of her.
Just as an FYI for the vets here. I know (very well) one of the DoD shrinks that is one of their hotrods and he is flown all over the world to Mil hospitals to evaluate and counsel vets. He just got back from the Azores (said it was amazing by the way) where they are sending soldiers with mental issues. Well, he says as a default they almost always list the PTSD cases as being potentially “a danger to themselves or others” just to cover their ass and that the Mil encourages them to do so. No guns allowed.
From what I understand in TX you cannot get a carry permit if you are under any treatment for mental disorders without a letter from your shrink and the statute even reads if you have “mood swings”… so all women would be ineligible I guess because of the documented mood swings they have once a month. There it is… they just are not aggressively enforcing these things, but I think the laws are already in place on some levels.
There seems to be a trend of more and more 20 year olds with a mental illness of some type committing these acts. The way in which the youth is raised and educated has changed in the last 20 years. I wonder if our education system and society is not accomplishing what is needed any more.
For example, based on what I see in many kids today:
-They are given praise when they have earned none.
-They aren’t blamed / punished when they do bad things.
-They aren’t given or taught responsibility.
-They don’t socialize in person (they go online).
-They aren’t taught manners and are socially awkward / unaware.
It seems like this system is creating more and more helpless, victimized sociopaths. They go from being in school to the real world and they can’t hack it.
saying something like ‘there’s no such thing as mental illness/disorder’ is like saying ‘there’s no illness/no such thing as diabetes’. mental illness is real. like any other part of the body, the brain isn’t immune to malfunctioning, whether it be from a chemical imbalance, genetics etc. just like someone may be born with a defective heart valve, someone may be born with a physical defect in the brain that affects behaviour, emotion etc.
IMHO, there’s no difference between someone with a mental disorder and someone with a physical ailment, except the complexity in diagnosis/treatment and the stigma attached to it.
Yup. We have a breakdown of our moral fabric where people aren’t learning social skills that give them the tools to deal with life and deviancy is being replaced with traditional values.
Going to be seeing more and more of this type of stuff I’m afraid.
Kids need to be in sports, they need to be able to settle their differences, they need to be able to defend themselves. We are, as a society, removing all the building blocks of society and replacing them with what are failed social standards.
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The only quakery is in that website. That is garden variety Jenny McCarthy level nonsense. The internet at its finest.
Mental illness is real and pharmacological and behavioral management options today are FAR better than in years past. Consider that ECT (shock therapy) and institutionalization were really the only means of treating depression in the not so distant past.
Is your wife being treaded by a family physician or a psychiatrist? If it is a psychiatrist who is seeing her for only 10 min and writing for meds, I suggest that you contact your state’s medical board. They would be very interested to hear about this behavior. Especially if she is being prescribed controlled substances such a benzodiazepines (Xanax, Valium, Klonopin, etc.) for her anxiety or narcotic pain meds. We call that a pill mill. No reputable psychiatrist is going to write for mood stabilizers for bipolar without documenting some form of psychotherapy that usually runs for at least 1 hr (the intervals of therapy may vary from weekly to quarterly depending on the patient’s acuity).
On the other hand, there are plenty of non-board certified “family doctors” and psychiatrists running pill mills. They are a one-stop-shop for all of your prescription drug needs. It usually goes something like this, “Got back pain? Here’s some Oxycodone. Got anxiety or bipolar too? Here is some Xanax. That’ll be $75 and I’ll see you in 30 days for a refill.” This racket is the scourge of the medical profession.
I do believe that schizophrenia is organic in nature, and therefore a medical disease and not a mental illness.
But I believe a huge percentage of people with so-called mental disorders have been conditioned into believing it so they will gobble expensive drugs that do nothing to “cure” them.
You use shock therapy as an example of an obsolete treatment. I predict pill-popping will be derided as witch doctor stuff in the coming centuries.
Sent you a PM…
Let me first apologize for my Prozac comment in another thread. I’m sorry to hear that life has been handing you a few lemons lately. Truly.
What I was getting at is that when people who are on Prozac, or it’s generic Fluoxitine, stop taking it or screw around with the dosage, it can lead to psychotic episodes. Not all the time, not everyone. For 99% who were properly prescribed and who take it as directed, it improves their quality of life.
I was put on Prozac and had to stop after just one month. I was constantly sobbing. Over just any little thing. It had the opposite effect on me; it made life immeasurably worse. IMO I hate that drug, but I also understand that my brain responded to it differently than another’s might.
I’m now on Cymbalta for anxiety and mild depression, been so for a few years. You’d never guess unless I told you. What it does is it keeps me from worrying so much, and keeps me relatively neutral. I don’t get super sad, in fact I can’t remember the last time I had a good cry. But it helps me stay within a “normal” range of worry and sadness.
As far as a mental illness restriction on gun ownership: if a banned individual was given due process and allowed to make his case to a judge, I don’t see how that would be such a bad thing. (But ill admit I’m wrong if someone makes a better argument). If there was a transparent system, with oversight, and due process to get your rights back if wrongly accused, I might be able to support something such as this. I know that people with an illness have rights like everyone else, so it’s really a tough call. It’s a very fine line, and all it would take to get on a list is to talk to the wrong doctor (who happens to be an anti), and bam. You’re on a list. People shouldn’t have to be afraid to seek help for an illness because they could lose their rights. I really don’t know what the correct answer is.
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Drugs effect everyone differently.
Caffeine has the opposite effect on me. I can drink 2 cups of coffee and go right to sleep.
I can actually understand how people do opiates. Even a lowly thing like a codeine and Im in the clouds feeling great (legal prescription- ended up flushing more than half of them). Other people get sick off them.
There is a deep history of depression and bipolar in my family. I have suffered from it all my life. It took from about age 6 until about 3 years ago, I’m 42 nowfor me to finally find the right combination of the right counselor (dialectical behavior therapy) and medication (lamictical). I finally know what it’s like to feel like a “normal” human being. Oh how I regret all those wasted years. On top of it my wife suffers from severe clinical depression. Again there is a deep family history involved. I’ve lost our 19 year old daughter to this. She’s refused help and cut off all ties with us. I had to hospitalized my 14 year old daughter this past September. So yeah you might say that I have a bit of experience with mental health. Other than the afore mentioned medical conditions all of us thoroughly enjoy the shooting sports. None of us have ever had a homicidal thought let alone the area mean one. Yeah we too are now wondering how society and the law will treat us now.
I also can say based upon thi personal experience that this shooter was suffering from a far more than depression or ptsd. I will venture a guess of borderline personality disorder or schizophrenia. Furthermore I’m going to guess that his mother was not a shooter. I’m willing to bet that she bought those weapons in an effort to placate her son. Why? Because she was in denial about her son regardless of ability to get him the help he obviously needed.
It seems most of us are suffer from some problem or another in the realm of depression or anxeity. My doctor has me on an anti-anxiety medication so I can sleep at night. College, the news and my imagination running wild on many fronts troubles me even when i want to sleep. it also stresses me out.
But do I have the eager to go out and massacre a whole school? NO!! I can’t even fathom of what would possess me to do that.
My problem is that if some anti-gun loon would go through here, he would demand the government to take our firearms because we are “too” unstable and could snap anytime if we are off our meds. I haven’t really taken my meds for a number of months, yet, I feel very controlled with myself. Today, I am very sadden and angry of how this situation has evolved into. But I still don’t want to go massacre a public place.
We are going to have to draw a line with this mentality problem and access to firearms, but we have to understand we will not be able to stop all the crazies; in fact, we could just be pushing them off to edged weapons. We are also going to have to be very vigilant about what constitutes a mental problem in order a firearm.
The main focus we need is what is causing all these mental disorders. granted that they have been around, but the numbers and causes seem to be outpacing the identifying of the problem, and finding meaningful solutions. Is it society? Is it technology? Is it the media? Or is this a genetic trend?
It most certainly is not about the guns. Millions of Americans own guns, but these shootings are very rare. Especially with sane people.
And add to that the fact that nobody wants to accept that “their baby” is one or the other and we call it a “illness.”
Wait, wait,…
Maybe Im wrong, because the Big Pharma says this stuff is good for everyone. Everyone needs to be on adderall and prozac…its good for us.
This is the land of Psychotropic meds, one in five people in this country is on hopped on this shit.
But when they snap, its our fault and our gun’s fault.
I have always held a firm belief that people regardless of past traumas or medical conditions people should be held accountable for their actions. The punishment should fit the crime regardless of a persons mental capacity or state. The idea that they didn’t know better, or that they could not control them selves is irreverent to me they still did it. Passing the buck has become “American”, and is embodied in out country’s decision in the last election.
I the anchors closing remarks 20/20 last night he said something along the lines of god bless the children and then proceeded to try and make us feel bad for the poor tortured soul of the shooter. FUCK THAT!!! He is a EVIL little fuck no way around it!
I am respectfully telling you that you are incorrect. I am a surgeon. As such I do not treat mental illness. However, I have treated many individuals who in addition to a surgical issue had mental illness. I also spent enough time in the ER dealing with all sorts of mental illness back when I was an intern (first year resident).
Some people are being mismanaged by their physician…ie someone with anxiety who is being managed with benzodiazepines (Xanax, klonopin, Ativan, Valium, etc), instead of an SSRI (like Zoloft or Paxil) and Cognitive Behavioral Sessions. I see this routinely. My wife is a Pharmacist and also sees it routinely.
Mental health is real. Suggesting otherwise demonstrates ignorance of factual medical knowledge and peer-reviewed (meaning not in the pocket of Pharmsceuticals) publications.
Anxiety and depression are very readily treated by SSRIs and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Some people need these for life, others for a certain time so as to break out of an acute issue resulting from a major life stressor. Individuals with anxiety and simple depression are not generally considered a threat to themselves or anyone else.
Major Depression is a whole different animal and individuals suffering from this can be a threat to themselves and others. Psychosis (as in hallucinations, feelings of persecution, etc) can occur in Major Depression. I believe it is in this setting that they are the biggest risk to others. ECT is actually still in use for refractory cases of major depression.
Schizophrenia, Scizoaffective Disorder, and some personality disorders where psychosis comes into play is really what brings out the trouble. Ever speak with a schizophrenic who is actively psychotic? I have on many many occasions. It can be quite a chilling experience.
I think psychosis is the aspect that I think is missing from all discussions related to guns and mental illness. There is never a real discussion about the actual psychiatric diagnosis of the individuals in question. Understandable because HIPAA prevents it. I would bet the farm that all of these mass casualty active shooters are Schizophrenic, Schizoaffective, etc.
States are frequently cutting their budgets for community mental health services (outpatient and inpatient). This puts the people with dangerous problems out on the street with no support. This makes for a dangerous situation. I am a fiscal conservative and abhor Obama Care, but with that said I think we need to do a better job taking care of mental health.
And if someone commits murder, irregardless of their mental illness, they should be punished appropriately. We should do away with the insanity clause in defense of morally reprehensible crimes.
Sorry for the long response.