Swat guy forgets his carbine at stand off.

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http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/11/oops-member-of.html

:smiley:

A member of the Salt Lake County SWAT team left a loaded M4 rifle near the scene of a standoff Friday in White City, Utah.

The Tribune says a “veteran” member of the tactical unit forgot his or her weapon in someone’s front yard.

Deseret News reports that a jogger found the rifle about two hours after officers left the scene.

“It’s a terrible mistake,” Salt Lake County Sheriff’s Deputy Levi Hughes tells the paper. “For this to happen one time is unacceptable. The public expects more out of us than this. We’re going to take every step possible so that this never happens again.”

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Unacceptable.

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Oops, you can not un-ring the bell.

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Unfortunate, but people are human and mistakes do happen. Definite carelessness, however.

LEO’s - are there typically any check in / check out procedures for these sorts of rifles in departments?

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Why can’t that happen in front of my house?

JK :smiley: Glad it was found by an adult.

I can imagine forgetting a lot of different things but my rifle is waaaay down at the end of that list.

Buckaroo

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This is why these weapons belong on the battlefields of Iraq and not the streets of America. :wink:

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Im still trying to figure out how a SWAT officer removes his weapon and lays it on the ground, especially while working.

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IF FOUND PLEASE RETURN TO SALT LAKE COUNTY SWAT

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Really?

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Happens much more than folks realize.

Team member should receive multiple days off, and remedial training.

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Can you say tongue in cheek? At least I read it that way.

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Hence the “wink”.

That’s a favorite line of gun grabbers when trying to justify a new AWB.

Seriously - would I be on this site if I didn’t think AR’s were appropriate???

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Lazy…that is the only reason I can see behind a cop putting his firearm on the ground and walking away. He should by removed from SWAT.

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You would think one of his “highly trained 1* Ninja” buddies would have noticed a little sooner than 2 hours.

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I refuse to publicly Monday morning quarter back any officer, but I would love to hear the story behind this one. I can think of several scenarious where a missing M4 would go noticed for a couple hours. I am just interested as to which one really hapened. :slight_smile:

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You’re way too lenient. He should be fired. At best he should be removed from the team permanently. Sorry but leaving a loaded weapon laying around someones yard is pretty retarded, don care how tired you are.

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IMHO, this is mostly a leadership issue. The Team Leader or Sergeant should have done a sensitive items check before they left the scene.

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I don’t totally agree with this. If it were based on the officer’s carelessness or if he/she were the type of individual who was always loosing shit, then yes. By all means get rid of them. But if this happened because of chronic fatigue due to the Operational OPTEMPO, then someone needs to put the Team and/or Department leadership under a microscope for allowing this to happen.

As a former Airborne Infantryman, I’ve seen the most hardcore, well-trained and disciplined Grunt do some strange things that is outside of their nature with the onset of chronic fatigue. I remember an E-6 Ranger Master Blaster and former RI drop his M-16A1 during a movement. Not only did he stop on or over it, so did the rest of his Squad. If the Medic who had been following the Squad had not tripped on the rifle, it probably would still be in the middle of that particular Tundra. The unfortunate thing was that he did have this rifle dummy-corded. But the 550 chord either broke or worked its way loose (I never heard). JM2CW.

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Some communities/cities only have a SWAT Team as a part time, non-dedicated unit. They carry their weapons in their vehicles while on normal patrol and gather in the need of crisis. Unacceptable none-the-less.

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Originally Posted by mmike87
This is why these weapons belong on the battlefields of Iraq and not the streets of America.

We are in an M4 form and you don’t think we should have those weapons in the US. I can’t believe you wrote that.