you wanted the cellphone, google watches your every move and uses it for profit. you wanted the internet. google gets to see all your internet traffic nad your email and gets to use it for profit. you caused this creep in monitoring. you asked for it and you got it, without even knowing you asked. you bought it. that’s your most fervent vote. and trust, you will ask for your dna to be given away so you can live longer. if you don’t, then your kids will, or all your family around you.
The problem is it can and WILL be abused and miss-used. Crooked LE will use it to frame people, inattentive or malicious lab technicians will mix up tests, data will get breached. You think it is bad that someone gets your credit card numbers, wait until they get your entire gene sequence. What if some enterprising young scientists decide that they are going to go data mining in criminal databases to see if there are any “genetic markers” common to a large percentage of criminals. Suddenly, instead of racial profiling, we have genetic profiling.
microwaves gets misused and abused… crooked law enforcement will frame people with all kinds of methods, not just dna. and methods already exist to plant dna. careless people are all around the world, look no further than each of our own bathroom mirrors. you don’t think psychological profiling is just as prejudice as a genetic profiling? you don’t think racial profiling is worse? what exactly is your point? that even if dna becomes the next big thing in crime fighting for the next 10 years, now that it’s been recognized by the judciail system as valid to use for identification, when it already has been for the past 10 years, that life on earth will still remain much the same old same old?
This is bad in every way shape and form. The potential negative effects of this FAR outweigh the potential benefits.
Not to mention the fact it is only another stepping stone towards a totalitarian police state. Some Leftist Nazi Gattaca Dystopian nightmare waiting to happen.
what’s funny is i understood gattaca was the way that way because of private entities, not because of a facist government. they’d turned elitism into a consumable. the crime fighting portion was the LEAST egregious part of the society. the prejudice and discrimination in all parts of life were the disgusting part.
How is this going to increase the governments power? How is this even a concern to law abiding people who generally are not getting arrested for felonies.
Pat
If I can take something from you because I’m the government, is that not power? When that thing is protected by law (the government’s ability to take it), is that not power?
I’m not a tinfoil type, aside from saying that I think we should add alcohol and carbonation to tap water instead of chemicals like flouride and chlorine. I’m even a proponent of unarmed drones by LE (but only in situations where they might use manned aircraft). But this is another step too far for the government, IMHO.
Two words: mission creep. Someone, somewhere, at some time, is going to “get creative” with all of the data they’re collecting; most likely by trying to find a way to make money from it. Collecting data is no good unless you’re going to use it, after all.
Yes it happens and in this case so what. Their DNA is on file they are not in prision. I would not care if my DNA was on file. I don’t plan on leaving my DNA behind at a crime scene. The only problem with waiting for conviction is the amount of people who skip out on bail and never show up for the trial. How about this the DNA gets collected but if your acquitted it gets destroyed.
Pat
How much do you have in your last line actually happening? I have none. People can still skip out on bail, DNA sample or not.
How about tracking chips next? Telescreens? As long as you’re not doing anything wrong, what do you have to worry about, right? Wrong.
Tracking chips for convicted felons on probation or parole would be fine by me. 90% of crime is committed by 10% of the population. DNA is just evidence there is almost no way that it can be used improperly. What it is going to be used for is comparing it in a data base against DNA from a crime scene. Its not like their going to be cloning you.
Pat
As I’m not a criminal and don’t intend to be a criminal, I can see no reason why my DNA should ever be taken, especially without a warrant.
You seem to have a “If you are not doing anything wrong you shouldn’t object” mindset. I have a “I object because I’m not doing anything wrong” mindset.
Ironically in the case of Trayvon Martin you don’t even think a security patrol should even be allowed to get out of a car and ask questions. But you think anyone who has been arrested should be able to have their DNA taken against their will.
I’d rather be questioned by a security patrol, or even the police for hours than have my DNA taken against my wishes. That is because I’m not doing anything wrong, and honestly when it comes to a “security patrol” I know I’m within my rights to simply walk away if things start getting stupid.
If they wanted to look inside your home or on your computer or pull your cell phone records I can see the objection thats no ones business. However DNA is not something like that.
Also you would not have your DNA taken unless you were arrested for a Felony.
Not necessarily. The program is still in its infancy, and was always meant to be a giveaway to the insurance and pharmaceutical industries. The idea is to push off people that will be expensive onto the government, and to mass all the low maintenance people into as high of a profit margin as possible. We’ll see how it turns out, but I’m not confident that our DNA data will be secure.
What criteria should be used to determine if a DNA sample should be collected? Be specific as to offense, if possible.
If the defendant is a no-bill, no-charge, or acquitted, should the sample be retained?
Who should be the custodian of the samples? Local, state, or federal?
What should the period of retention be? Should it vary by offense? Should sample data expire from the system?
Who should be the responsible testing entity? Local (if available), state, or federal?
Should the cost of the collection mechanism (buccal kit, etc) be passed on to the suspect for restitution, if convicted? (As with several other lab/sample/evidence processes.)
In the event of a cold hit in whatever system is developed, should the sample be subject to some sort of legal process before further confirmation or release of data?
Should the sample itself be sufficient suspect identity for issuance of a warrant? (i.e. a John Doe sample is on file, and when a sample is submitted from another scene, matches the one on file already. Issue a warrant for John Doe, possessing DNA 123XYZ?
A theoretical stretch but…Between Obamacare health practices which include acquisition of biometric data on healthcare insured (but don’t YET include DNA profiles) and law enforcement securing DNA profiles on arrests of not yet convicted felons, et al it would appear a path for declaring you unfit to own a firearm based simply on the predictive indicators in your DNA.
Or declaring you a “high risk” and charged accordingly in your Obamacare premium because your DNA test indicate you may contract XYZ disease.
I’m concerned this ruling opens the door for insurers to move in that direction…