Staking Bolt-Carrier Key Screws?--FOLLOW-UP PICS ADDED!!!

Please excuse if this is covered elsewhere, and just steer me to the appropriate thread.

New M&P began short stroking after the first ~150 rounds, which I eventually found to be because the bolt-carrier key had loosened. The key screws had stake marks from the factory, but which obviously didn’t hold. A firm twist on each screw was able to seat them about a 16th of a turn deeper than where they had originally been staked. Another 120 rounds were then shot w/o further problem.

The key screws are still holding as re-tightened, but should I re-stake them as well? If so, how?

I’d like this to be a fix-it-n-fergit-it scenario - thanks.

You are in need of the MOACKS.

http://www.m-guns.com/tools.php

this will do it in short order.

Which model do you have? 15? The BCG is from Stag Arms and they are known for not staking their carrier keys properly.

You need to stake the carrier properly. I do it for a small fee + shipping back if interested.

C4

Do you mind if I bookmark this thread so that I can direct people to it when they tell me that their half-ass gas key staking is “good enough”?

(nevermind, they’ll just think I made it all up just to prove a point)

$70 for the “pocket” model, and $155 for the full-magnum – CHING-CHING ! ! !:eek:

A quality tool I’m sure, but seems like a lot to a poor guy for something that shouldn’t be a problem in the first place. Can I be a basic shooter without become a cutting-edge gunsmith?

That seems more do-able – assuming I opt-out of trying to get S&W to do The-Right-Thing (and not make me wait a year for it…yeah,right…).

I may be in contact with you Grant.

Randy, I’m going up to visit GotM4 at VA Arms to do some business and hang out.

I’m taking two BCG’s to get restaked, if you want I’ll take your’s as well.

Mine were actually military surplus M16A1’s that are MP tested, but the staking job looks like it was done by a blind one armed man…:frowning:

I can recommend having Grant restake your carrier. He did my M&P15 bolt carrier shortly after I got the gun. My carrier originally appeared to be staked with a chisel or something. Looked correct after Grant was done with it and it runs great. To be honest I did not have any problems before restaking as you did but I feel better about it now.

Have Grant Mo-Wack it ! :slight_smile:

We use it here in the BCM shop also.

Mine too, rather than any kind of punch.

Send it up with Tim. I’ll fix it.

Grant, do you use the MOACKS on every carrier you sell before you ship it?

I know you only sell top-notch stuff, but I’m curious if they come to you from the factory with a proper staking job or if you “Mo-Wack” them before the go out the door.

Derek

Yes, I own both versions of the MOACKS and use them on every carrier that needs them. About the ONLY carrier key that I don’t stake are the ones that come from LMT and BCM.

All of the BCG’s I build or the Stag’s that come through the shop (either in uppers, complete weapons or BCG’s) are staked by me.

C4

Thanks for the quick reply, Grant. The LMT one I got from you last week had such a nice, uniform staking that I was curious if it was a factory stake job or not. Either way, it’s GTG. I think I need to pick up one of those Pocket MOACKS for future builds.

Thanks again.

Derek

Thanks Rob. Haven’t heard back yet from Tim when he’s going. Let me know your fee and I’ll see that he’s adequately funded.

BTW - put another ~120 rounds thru after the re-tighten and screws are holding so-far. So no emergency, but realize they need staking for a permanent solution.

No charge Randy.

You are a gentleman, and I’ll owe you a favor.

Hopefully I can connect with Tim before his trip up.

Well, I got my Pocket MOACKS from Ned yesterday. I tried it out tonight on one of my old and rather poorly staked carriers. Amazing! What a brilliant - and brilliantly simple - design. Thanks Ned!

Derek

Gladja like it, Derek!

+1. Well, actually +2 because I used my pocket MOACKS (P-MOACKS?) to stake two separate carriers. Simple to use and does what it claims to do.

gotm4 at Virginia Arms already has the re-staked carrier en-route back to me.

Talk about fast-fast-fast relief ! ! ! :eek:

May very well be back-to-blammin’ by week’s end. :smiley:

Shall report back with likely wrap-up.